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Larni Member (Idle past 146 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
I really don't understand how you think that having to support your ideas with evidence and/or reasoned arguements is in any way strange.
Because you must, to post the posts that you do.
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3912 days) Posts: 578 Joined:
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Zi Ko writes: Do i have to prove it again that information affects genome? Others, as Shapiro ect had done it well. Empathy is atype of information. My telephone number is also a type of information.Therefore my telephone number affects genomes. That is illogical.Lac of food (type of information) affects genome. telefon numper is an is information and does not affect genome. So information can affect genome? The answer is: it depends on the type of information. Information: It is time its undeservedly neglectet powerful role to evolution to be restored.
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Wounded King Member (Idle past 325 days) Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined:
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So information can affect genome? The answer is: it depends on the type of information. I made this very point to you previously and you blew it off as irrelevant because people could believe that any type of information could affect the genome. Similarly anyone could believe that telephone numbers can affect the genome. So why should anyone accept your hypothesis on empathy affecting the genome over Panda's hypothesis that telephone numbers can? You later added the addendum that it was "in cases being essential to survival" but even then an argument could be made that a phone number is sometimes essential for survival. It might be avery weak argument but that only serves to strengthen the analogy with your position. Your definition of random seems to be one wholly disconnected to how it is used in evolutionary biology, which explains quite a lot. If you wanted to approach the question scientifically of course then the answer to determining whether empathy affects the genome or phone numbers do would be to look for evidence and come up with plausible mechanism. In the absence of that both hypotheses are equally plausible. TTFN, WK
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Panda Member (Idle past 4005 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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zi ko writes:
My telephone number is a type of information. So, it must be accepted, it can act on genome at least in the same way as other information staff idoes. That is illogical.Lac of food (type of information) affects genome. telefon numper is an is information and does not affect genome. So information can affect genome? The answer is: it depends on the type of information. Furthermore as it acts on the same senario and on the same part of genome over long periods of time, maby millions of years, i think has a more profound effect on genome. My telephone number conception is applied to multicellular organisms, where Shapiro work stops. Stop being just a follower and be a thinker.
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3912 days) Posts: 578 Joined:
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Theoretically all types of information are capable of affecting genome. B ut in practice only information that is transferred by empathy, as it acts repeatedly over many generations,on the same senario and it has survival value, can act on genome. I am talking mainly about the lower animals with neural system, where empathetically trasferred information is burdened with strong distress and it has survival value.
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Panda Member (Idle past 4005 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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zi ko writes:
Hmmm...
Theoretically all types of information are capable of affecting genome. zi ko writes:
Nope. Not in practice. B ut in practice only information that is transferred by empathyThis is still in the "Theoretically" stage, as you have admitted previously. quote:You have no evidence - this means that there is no "But in practice...". Edited by Panda, : No reason given.
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3912 days) Posts: 578 Joined:
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You have no evidence - this means that there is no "But in practice...".
It is all "according to my theory"We have "empathy a hard wired function in brain' according to researchers. What is your explanation of the existance and use of such hard wired mechanism and function? Information: It is time its undeservedly neglectet powerful role to evolution to be restored.
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Panda Member (Idle past 4005 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
zi ko writes:
But that is not 'in practise'. It is all "according to my theory"That is almost the opposite of 'in practise'. quote:That is a completely unsupported assertion. That has not been shown to happen. zi ko writes:
I am not making claims about empathy: YOU ARE. What is your explanation of the existance and use of such hard wired mechanism and function?YOU need to support YOUR claims. My claim is:quote:...which has as much supporting evidence as your theory. Edited by Panda, : No reason given. Edited by Panda, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 10344 Joined: Member Rating: 6.3
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It is all "according to my theory"
You don't have a theory. You have a belief. There is a difference between the two.
quote: The same as it is for every other animal. It has to do with brain development which is controlled by our DNA. What your beliefs are missing is any evidence that empathy guides mutations.
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Larni Member (Idle past 146 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Must...not.....be.....drawn.....in.......
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3912 days) Posts: 578 Joined: |
zi ko writes: What is your explanation of the existance and use of such hard wired mechanism and function? I am not making claims about empathy: YOU ARE YOU need to support YOUR claims. I am not asking you to prove or disprove empathy. I am asking to explain ,according to the current Theory, why evolution had given parts of brain to empathic information and not to your telephone numberInformation: It is time its undeservedly neglectet powerful role to evolution to be restored.
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Larni Member (Idle past 146 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined:
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Empathy is advantageous for social creatures. It is advantageous because it lets social creatures engage in more complex behaviour than colonial creatures.
That is all. There, I said it.
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Panda Member (Idle past 4005 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
zi ko writes:
I have never said I have any evidence. In any case i am not qualified for this. and i don't believe it could ever be found. I am asking to explain ,according to the current Theory, why evolution had given parts of brain to empathic information and not to your telephone number Untill there will be any evidence that it doesn't happen ,any body can believe it could.
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zi ko Member (Idle past 3912 days) Posts: 578 Joined:
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You seem to be essentially making a philosophical claim that the apparent randomness is not truly fundamentally random, but since your hypothesis does not include any criteria on which the two could be told apart it is entirely worthless in scientific terms. Many creationists and IDists have a similar approach claiming that the apparent randomness of mutations serves to mask subtle interventions to direct evolution by the Intelligent Designer/ God. You are right. With no defining of randomness any conversation about it is meaningless.Anything it happens in the living or not living world it is directed by some type of information. This is my philosofical thesis. I can't see how this thesis can not solve the same and maybe more broblems the other view, as you say , can solve.There are semidirected or entirely "non directed" mutations, but all of them are directed to life. Information: It is time its undeservedly neglectet powerful role to evolution to be restored.
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 875 days) Posts: 921 Joined:
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I could not find a topic for the welcome of new members, so I will post here. Evolution .vs. Creation is a debate that I am very interested in and is the reason I returned to college to earn a degree. I am YEC but not like any that I have found so far on this forum. I have a wide range of possible ages for the earth but they are no older than a million years and no younger than 150,000 years. I believe in a global "flood", but I do not restrict its activity to massive amounts of rainfall as we see the phenomena today. I believe the great "flood" coincided with the Late Heavy Bombardment, and that the great flood of noah coincides with that periods characteristic total coverage of water. I know that was 3.9 billion years ago measured radiometrically, but I believe it happened much later than that due to accelerated radioactive decay.
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