I think this particular issue is a little different. I haven't watched...AT ALL any of the coverage that is shown here, so I have a different take on it. I've mainly been checking AL Jazeera. My ex texted me a coule days ago saying "that's it, we're going to Egypt". I'm like WTF, why do you say that? She said she was watching ABC and they were showing protesters who had anti-American signage (death to America, America will burn etc.). It tripped me out because the ONLY mention of America I have seen has been Egyptians saying "GTFO amurrica, we don't want your help. You've propped up this fuckstick dictator long enough", but nothing like ABC was apparently showing.
"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.
If we had a choice between an Egyptian government that was good for its own people and was also virulently anti-American, and one that was equally good for its own people but friendlier toward us, why shouldn't we be concerned about which was in power?
Why the dichotomy?
Because the dichotomy makes the limitations of your previous statement plain. I'm not saying it's likely that we will be faced with that choice, but that choice does make apparent that the good of the Egyptian people is not the only thing we should be interested in.
The difference is: I am putting the interest of my human brethren ahead of my government or my country. We are all humans and ALL deserve to live peacefully. I don't feel as though I have the right to tell another group of people what is good for them based off of MY interests.
"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.
All it takes is an open mind to see the bias in American media. And no, I am not singling out Faux News, either (even though they are the biggest culprit).
"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.
Since Nasser’s death in 1970, Egypt was ruled by Anwar Sadat until he was assassinated in 1981, and since then, by M. Hosni Mubarak. Upon coming to power, Mubarak instated an Emergency Law, which suspended many constitutional protections and basically gave the state complete jurisdiction for anything falling under the category security.
Presently, there are no guaranteed rights to privacy, free speech, assembly, press, or even a trial. Although there are a number of members of the judiciary who have tried to maintain its independence from the state, they are regularly thwarted and often removed or worse.
Why are Egyptians in the streets protesting? First of all, they want a real democracy. No one is fooled by the elections that just play musical chairs with the people already in power. They want real choices. Yes, many want the choice to vote for the Muslim Brotherhood. But that has not been the major theme in these protests, and in fact has been less important than anyone expected. The real issue is that the people want fair and free elections with all choices on the table. They want what most Americans want here.
"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.
hooah212002 writes: Yea: it's none of the United States Governments fucking business!
Mubarek has stayed in power this long, mainly because of US support.
If the US is actively undermining Mubarek, then I think that's wrong just as their past support for his repressive regime has been wrong. However if, as I suspect, they are merely declining to continue that past support, then I don't have a problem with that.
I said that to mean: we don't need to go in and try and rectify the situation. The Egyptian people know what they want, they can take care of it. We've done enough damage supporting that regime Not only that, but Biden thinks Mubarak is a pretty OK fella.....
"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.
I think it's wrong to be meddling in the internal affairs of other nations.
Hmm.
Is it wrong for the police/social-workers to meddle in the internal affairs of a family: parent's abuse of their children, wife-beating? Do we not share a kinship with all the people of the world, regardless of boundaries?
So the people have spoken and they want Mubarek to go...NOW!
that seems to be the case, I had no idea Hosni Mubarak was that unpopular, I mean he is no Nasser, but they killed Sadat (and Vice president Mubarak stepped up), so I figured Mubarak was doing fine. I guess not now.
Mr.Mubarek says that he is tired of being in power, but warns that if he steps down now, the banned group of Muslim Extremists will take power. The U.S. is stepping in to ensure that this wont happen.
I think this is a ruse, a ploy for aid from the western powers, I think Egyptians are capable in handling thier own affairs. I doubt anyone believes much of what he says anymore.
I agree that the government formed should be secular. Does anyone else have any insight on this developing situation?
I really think the Egyptians should decide what kind of government they want to have.
As far as insight goes, its hard to say. I have issues with mainstream media, as it seems like its all propaganda all the time. I am trying to form an opinoin but its hard to get a clear picture. I usually read and Egyptian newspaper called Al Ahram, to get an arab perspective on the region, but I haven't drawn any real conclusions as of yet.
thanks for the OP i think this could be a good one.
Holy Christ! Onifre? My fellow-tin-hat wearer? Is this really you Oni? Did you hijack Hooah's profile?
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