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purpledawn
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Message 193 of 536 (608923)
03-15-2011 8:38 AM
Reply to: Message 182 by New Cat's Eye
03-08-2011 2:59 PM


Show Me The Circle
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Irrelevant. The simple matter is that the source cannot be imagination even though we're unable to identify what that source is.
It exposes that claiming that all known sources are imagination excludes the very things that suggest the "theory" is wrong, thus the circularness.
Can you lay out the circle for me?
I've read circular reasoning several times in this thread, but I'm not seeing the "circle".
When we go looking for supernatural beings we only find evidence in the human mind or products of the human mind.

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purpledawn
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Message 208 of 536 (608978)
03-15-2011 4:53 PM
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03-15-2011 10:47 AM


The Being, Not The Source, Is Supernatural
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The only scientifically known source of supernatural beings is the human imagination. If the source becomes scientifically known, then there is a natural explanation and it is not supernatural. If the source is non-natural, then it will not become scientifically known. So, the only sources that can become scientifically known cannot be supernatural beings. Therefore, we're left with the only other possible source which is the human imagination. If there was another source, and it became scientifically known, then it wouldn't be supernatural. If it was supernatural, then it wouldn't become scientifically known. So, the only source that can become scientifically known cannot be supernatural and we're left with the only other source which is imagination. But, if another source did become known... etc. etc.
Supernatural doesn't mean scientifically unknown. Supernatural means above nature, not non-natural. Originally it was used in a religious sense. Gods living in a higher realm (above the earth). Since 1799 it has also been associated with ghosts.
Nature is the physical world/universe and everything in it that isn't made by mankind. IMO, whatever exists (physical or nonphysical) and is not created by mankind is part of the natural world whether we know about it or not.
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If there was another source, and it became scientifically known, then it wouldn't be supernatural. If it was supernatural, then it wouldn't become scientifically known.
The source is not what is considered supernatural. Only the being. Until a supernatural being is found, we don't know if they would still be considered supernatural or not. Mankind changes word meanings to suit their purpose just as supernatural has changed over time. It can change again.
If another source exists that wasn't created by mankind, then it is already part of the natural world.
If a supernatural being exists that isn't created by mankind, then it is already part of the natural world.
Human imagination can play with words till the cows come home. We change definitions and seemingly move gods out of the reach of reality.
Right now, supernatural beings are created by mankind and aren't part of the natural world. The source is the human mind, which is part of the natural world.

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purpledawn
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Message 224 of 536 (609441)
03-20-2011 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 209 by Jon
03-15-2011 10:02 PM


Imagination Game
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What's the joy in playing the dictionary games? Certainly there are better things to discuss on this topic than meaningless word meanings...
Language evolves. The foundation of a word is very important, especially when one is attempting to seek the being described by the word.
In this case, since we are dealing with the human imagination, we see how the word has evolved and the meaning has changed.
In this discussion, all I see is a lot of imagination floating around. A lot of if's. We can imagine all types of scenarios. At some point one has to look at the reality behind the concepts.
Right now, IMO, the discussion is useless because it is wrapped up in the human imagination.
So you play the imagination game instead.

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purpledawn
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Message 233 of 536 (609619)
03-21-2011 5:51 PM
Reply to: Message 227 by Jon
03-21-2011 11:24 AM


Re: Imagination Game
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And what do you believe the reality behind the concepts to be?
I explained the background to the word supernatural in my post.
Edited by purpledawn, : No reason given.

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purpledawn
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Message 237 of 536 (609674)
03-22-2011 8:11 AM
Reply to: Message 234 by xongsmith
03-21-2011 9:21 PM


Re: Imagination Game
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Hey, can you at least give the link to this post for all of us dummies and fuckups?
Message 208

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