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AZPaul3
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Message 10 of 536 (604377)
02-11-2011 4:04 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by slevesque
02-11-2011 3:07 PM


Re: Inductive Atheism
Example: I see someone walking on water. If it truely is a supernatural event, I won't be able to repeat it. (contrary to if it is just a natural phenomenon, then I should be able to repeat it)
I don't understand. Why would this not be repeatable? If you saw someone walk on water could they not repeat the feat in front of more witnessess?
But then they might refuse and might deny the first episode. Then you would be right in not having a repeatable experience. In which case you have nothing but your original perception of the episode.
You have no evidence, scientific or otherwise; only what you think you saw. Human perceptions are notoriously bad. Even in crowds. We all know this.
You would be left without any "genuine evidence."

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AZPaul3
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Message 50 of 536 (604787)
02-14-2011 10:45 PM
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02-11-2011 4:13 PM


Walking the Wet Way
I mean repeatable in it's scientific definition. In that anyone, anywhere, could repeat it and have the same results.
While this would certainly be useful it does not describe, in total, repeatability.
If the subject is "Cold Fusion" then, yes, anyone anywhere should be able to produce the same result. If we're talking paleontology then we're more trying to repeat the proponent's congregation of the facts and seeing if the analysis applied is sufficient. This also is repeatability.
Stories of your walking on water is more the second type. If the scenario cannot be scrutinized for viability with no independent corroborating evidence, no supporting facts, you have no evidence.
But further, if you can walk on water in Paris then you should be able to walk on water in Phoenix where I can watch and film it. If you cannot or will not then, it matters not how many people think they saw the original feat, you have nothing. The eye-witness testimony, notoriously bad to begin with, is so weak as to be non-existent.
If there is one thing Fatima taught us it is that even a crowd of thousands can succumb to mass hysteria and vouch witness to an event that only one little girl says she saw.
I think we can agree that if it is up to someone's 'will' if something physically happens or not, then it is not repeatable in a scientific way.
No, I do not agree.
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Message 518 of 536 (630056)
08-22-2011 7:28 AM
Reply to: Message 517 by Chuck77
08-22-2011 6:37 AM


Re: It's all about your imagination.
You say the devil has gotten me to believe in Jesus?
How can you deny this?
You believe God to be of three when there is only The One. You pray to a lesser instead of to The One. In all things you revere the name of a part, a lesser, rather than the whole, the complete, that is The One.
His omniscience, His infinite power, need no intercessors. No lesser manifestations. No ghosts nor sons nor fathers. No divisions of Godhead. There is only The One.
Yet you direct your veneration elsewhere. That you would believe He has weakness or is incomplete and you do not focus your prayers strictly upon, solely and directly to, The One, but instead invoke the name of some incomplete manifestation, something lesser than the full grace and power that is The One is blasphemy in His presence and to His face. You spit at Him.
Surely Satan has his black finger upon your heart. He has you fooled into believing in and praying to something other than The Whole, The Complete, The Only, The One. You have fallen for Satan's rouse that some lesser can "save" you. That if you invoke the other name rather than His then your reward awaits you. And, indeed, your reward awaits you in Satan's realm.
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