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Author Topic:   The persistent question of evidence (RAZD and subbie only)
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Message 41 of 42 (609414)
03-19-2011 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by RAZD
03-13-2011 1:18 PM

Re: assumptions and logical arguments
Since you seemed to completely miss the point, I'll repeat it, and not mix it up with anything else.
You cannot conclude anything about how a created universe would operate without making assumptions about the creator, its methods or its purposes. Thus, it simply does not follow, without other ancillary assumptions, that
RAZD writes:
Whatever "laws\forces" exist within the created universe would be ones used ("put in place") by god/s for the created universe.
RAZD writes:
Are you saying that whatever is created just happens to operate by some previously existing external "natural laws\forces" that somehow exist now within the created universe and that the god/s would be\are absolutely powerless to control, change or modify them to make their creation function?
I'm not saying anything about what a creator might make or what it might be like, because I don't think it's possible to do that without assuming things about the creator.
You are making tacit assumptions about a created universe so that your conception of what a creator would produce is consistent with what we see. If you do not see the error in this process, it's beyond my ability to explain it to you.

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