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Author Topic:   God's Place In Evolution
Blue Jay
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Message 7 of 190 (604677)
02-14-2011 9:54 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by goldrush
02-13-2011 10:31 AM


Hi, Goldrush.
goldrush writes:
If evolution is true, where did the very first man get his knowledge and instruction?
The very first man was not alone. He (or she) wasn't born a human to ape parents: he was a creature that differed a little from his parents, and was still quite similar to all the other creatures in his family group or other social structure. It wouldn't be for many generations that his descendants would become noticeably different from the descendants of other non-human apes.
Given that he was so much like his parents, it isn't inconceivable that he spent his childhood learning a few things from them, and then eventually improved upon what they taught him. Maybe he was a little brighter than they were, or maybe a little more creative or eloquent (and maybe not), but, whatever the case, there's no reason to think he had to have learned all his knowledge from them.
By comparison, Dr Adequate is a fantastic writer, and is probably a better writer now than some of the people that originally taught him how to write. Additionally, my mother is a better cook than my grandmother, even though my mother learned how to cook from my grandmother.
The fact that people can exceed the accomplishments of their forebears should be enough to convince you that complex skills and knowledge can gradually accumulate from a foundation of simple, primitive skills and knowledge. There is no reason to think language skills or societal skills should be any different.

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)
Darwin loves you.

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Blue Jay
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Message 38 of 190 (604820)
02-15-2011 9:04 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by goldrush
02-14-2011 10:55 PM


Hi, Goldrush.
goldrush writes:
It seems to me, that your reasoning is that knowlege and language goes from simple to complex, but this is not necessarily true.
Agreed. I actually said that it can and does go from simple to complex, not that it must go from simple to complex or that it can't and doesn't also do otherwise
This should at least tell you that it's possible for knowledge and language to transition from simple to complex. And, if it's even possible at all, then your argument that there must have been a God to teach the first man is unsupported.
So, you're going to need more than the reasoning you've laid out so far to show that a God is actually necessary.
Edited by Bluejay, : added "also" for clarity

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)
Darwin loves you.

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