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goldrush Member (Idle past 4802 days) Posts: 61 Joined: |
Taq writes: When many people say they don't believe in God b/c He is "unnecessary" due to science, it takes me back to the account in Eden. I don't believe in God because there is no evidence for the existence of God. Also, citing mythology in support of the existence of God really isn't helping your case. How, I have just demonstrated that the Bible does not affirm myths common during its time of writing.
So we see from all this that ancient people, no matter how ignorant of science, were in good shape as long as they were obedient to God's commands. I guess it all depends on how you define "good shape". It wasn't until the last century that infant mortality dipped below 30%. I could go on and on about the diseases that modern medicine has cured through science, not the bible. However, I think it will fall on deaf ears. The point of my post was not to show that the Bible is a medical/scientific textbook. By the way, if Adam had not rejected Gid's sovereignty over him to begin with, we wouldn't be sitting here with the burden of trying to eradicate disease. We have not cured all disease, BTW, so we shouldn't be so proud of ourselves. The root of sickness and death is sin, the sin that occurred in Eden. The sin that alienated mankind from his Source and Creator.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
goldrush writes: Where did he receive his language, and what enabled him to develop his sense of morality and values? If it all came from animals, why don't we all still use identical language and behavior of animals? Why aren't we all like Tarzan? Monkey see, monkey do, right? Hey Goldrush, a hearty welcome to EvC. Good job on your OP. I see you had a one rating but I fixed that for you with a well deserved fiver. God is the only logical explanation for the huge knowledge and brain capability between brute animals and humans. Humans are truly designed after the designer's image. We have been created to communicate with our maker intelligently and to rely on him for everything. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
goldrush writes: Taq writes: When many people say they don't believe in God b/c He is "unnecessary" due to science, it takes me back to the account in Eden. I don't believe in God because there is no evidence for the existence of God. Also, citing mythology in support of the existence of God really isn't helping your case. How, I have just demonstrated that the Bible does not affirm myths common during its time of writing.
So we see from all this that ancient people, no matter how ignorant of science, were in good shape as long as they were obedient to God's commands. I guess it all depends on how you define "good shape". It wasn't until the last century that infant mortality dipped below 30%. I could go on and on about the diseases that modern medicine has cured through science, not the bible. However, I think it will fall on deaf ears. The point of my post was not to show that the Bible is a medical/scientific textbook. By the way, if Adam had not rejected Gid's sovereignty over him to begin with, we wouldn't be sitting here with the burden of trying to eradicate disease. We have not cured all disease, BTW, so we shouldn't be so proud of ourselves. The root of sickness and death is sin, the sin that occurred in Eden. The sin that alienated mankind from his Source and Creator. Again, that is simply misrepresenting what is actually written. There is nothing in the Bible Adam & Eve fabele that says disease is the result of sin or that man is alienated from God. If you like please start a thread on that and yet again we can examine what is actually written. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Jon Inactive Member |
By the way, if Adam had not rejected Gid's sovereignty over him to begin with, we wouldn't be sitting here with the burden of trying to eradicate disease. We have not cured all disease, BTW, so we shouldn't be so proud of ourselves. The root of sickness and death is sin, the sin that occurred in Eden. The sin that alienated mankind from his Source and Creator. Are you going to be addressing some of the previous counterarguments raised here, or are you just going to keep throwing out different and unrelated pointspoints, which, by the way, have been refuted a thousand times? Jon Edited by Jon, : clarity Check out No webpage found at provided URL: Apollo's Temple! Ignorance is temporary; you should be able to overcome it. - nwr
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
goldrush writes:
That seems to be a rather exotic way of saying that the biblical account is hopelessly wrong.Through science, we have been able to discover many things about the earth, our bodies, and our health. How does the Bible compare? Though not a science textbook, Biblical references to all 3 harmonize with modern scientific discovery. Jesus was a liberal hippie
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Taq Member Posts: 10077 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
The point of my post was not to show that the Bible is a medical/scientific textbook. Then what was your point as it relates to the topic?
By the way, if Adam had not rejected Gid's sovereignty over him to begin with, we wouldn't be sitting here with the burden of trying to eradicate disease. Based on what evidence? How does that evidence relate to the topic at hand? Should we also be talking about the mistake that Achilles' mother made when she forgot to dip is heel in the River Styx?
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Taq Member Posts: 10077 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
God is the only logical explanation for the huge knowledge and brain capability between brute animals and humans. Could you please spell out this logic for us? Simply asserting that something is logical does not make it logical.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 311 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Through science, we have been able to discover many things about the earth, our bodies, and our health. How does the Bible compare? It's a laughing-stock. However, this seems to have little to do with the subjects raised in the OP, which you seem averse to pursuing.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 311 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Is this the best you can come up with? So predictable... Well of course it's predictable. That's because it's true. If you went around claiming that two plus two was five, it's highly predictable that you'd hear the word "four" quite a lot.
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4216 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
Should we also be talking about the mistake that Achilles' mother made when she forgot to dip is heel in the River Styx? Heck it has the same amount of evidence, that is none. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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onifre Member (Idle past 2978 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
It has been shown that if a modern human is not taught human language, and has void or very limited human contact/interaction (except for feeding) he will fail to speak, mature, and act more or less barbaric. Nurture has a lot to do with behavior considered civilized or "human". "Evolved", "higher" brains have little to do with what makes us human. Whatever natural "human" inclinations or potential we may be born with fail to develop if not nurtured. But the exact same thing can be said of any primate, ape, monkey. In fact, the same can be said of most, if not all, mammals. So you ask where did the first human get the knowledge? But I'll ask where did the first monkey get it, or dolphin, or bat get that very same knowledge? Why stop at humans when many, many more species down the line show this same behavior? However, if you understood common ancestry then you would see how these traits emerged and came to be present in modern mammals, which obviously includes humans. - Oni
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goldrush Member (Idle past 4802 days) Posts: 61 Joined: |
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I feel the real reasons for our positions on whether are not there is a creator goes beyond the purely rational or intellectual sphere. I believe it has a lot to do with the way we have come to view world conditions (especially the human condition) and the way these views have impacted us emotionally- positively or negatively. Excellent! But shouldn't this concession go in the other topic, where you claimed the intellectual path to the Creator to be purely logical and rational: 'The deduction of a personal, reasoning Creator, although not empirical, is rational.'? Jon Good catch Jon. But the idea behind that original post was to show how people could use rationality alone to come to the creator conclusion. This was not to say that all or most people arrive at it the conclusion purely this way, as I don't believe this happens very often, (as I revealed in this later topic). As you have said, a poster's entire view if things is not contained in one comment alone.
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goldrush Member (Idle past 4802 days) Posts: 61 Joined: |
Dr Adequate writes: Through science, we have been able to discover many things about the earth, our bodies, and our health. How does the Bible compare? It's a laughing-stock. However, this seems to have little to do with the subjects raised in the OP, which you seem averse to pursuing. This later post was kinda my original idea behind the original post, kinda as an introduction. In hindsight though, I admit my original post wasn't a really great idea. And yeah I do feel adverse to persuing it.
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goldrush Member (Idle past 4802 days) Posts: 61 Joined: |
Dr Adequate writes: Is this the best you can come up with? So predictable... Well of course it's predictable. That's because it's true. If you went around claiming that two plus two was five, it's highly predictable that you'd hear the word "four" quite a lot. I know this is how you see it, but I must respectfully disagree. I also apologize for responding to you the way I did. I really could have been much more mature and tactful about it. I'm sorry.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2133 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Let's reexamine the concept of accurate knowledge for a moment. OK, here's one for you. The global flood, which biblical scholars place ca. 4,350 years ago, has been shown by science to not have happened. It is so easy to disprove the Genesis flood story that even my own archaeological research has done so. Does this give you any doubts, or do you just ignore all of this evidence? Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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