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DrJones* Member Posts: 2285 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.4 |
OK, science guy. Fair enough. So produce your evidence that humans didn't have dominion over dinos.
You made the claim, it is up to you to support it Buz. You might start by:A: defining "dominion" 2: showing that humans and dinos co-existed. It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
frako writes: OK, science guy. Fair enough. So produce your evidence that humans didn't have dominion over dinos.
Ok how about the fact that there are no human fossils in the period where dinosaurs roamed the earth and that there are no dinosaur fossils from the period that humans started to walk on the earth? There is the on/long-going debate regarding co-existent dino human footprints. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2127 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
There is the on/long-going debate regarding co-existent dino human footprints. Nonsense. There are claims from fundamentalists which are disproved by scientists. The claims are then repeated over and over in spite of being disproved. If you call that "on/long-going debate" you are fooling yourself. Link added: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy.html Edited by Coyote, : Added link Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Taq Member Posts: 10038 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Of all of the animal species, none have begun to advance to the level of brain capabilities as humans. The social, cultural, mechanical, industrial and scientific capabilities of humans is unique; immensely greater than that of any of the other species. All other species think and do in a simple and limited framework of capabilities.
Now please show the logic that leads us to the conclusion that this intelligence was produced by a supernatural deity.
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Buzsaw writes: frako writes: OK, science guy. Fair enough. So produce your evidence that humans didn't have dominion over dinos.
Ok how about the fact that there are no human fossils in the period where dinosaurs roamed the earth and that there are no dinosaur fossils from the period that humans started to walk on the earth? There is the on/long-going debate regarding co-existent dino human footprints. Nonsense. That is totally false. I have wandered all over that area and there are NO examples of Dino and Human footprints except for the fakes that were created. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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goldrush Member (Idle past 4796 days) Posts: 61 Joined:
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The only ones you can say who are unsure of how I reached my conclusion are the ones who post their disagreements. You can speak really for no one else. The fact that some people disagree with me does not prove that my points are incredulous or invalid. I admit though, that it does show the need for me to do a little more debating than I'm generally inclined to do.
Also you keep arguing that I am arguing from incredulity, yet you never show how. Can you prove how I am incredulous and the people who disagree with me are not? Edited by goldrush, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 10038 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Also, practically all ancient people have a legend that their ancestors survived a global flood. Many of these flood legends only mention a local flood. Here is the Arcadian flood legend: "Dardanus, first king of Arcadia, was driven from his land by a great flood which submerged the lowlands, rendering them unfit for cultivation. The people retreated to the mountains, but they soon decided that the land left was not enough to support them all. Some stayed with Dimas, son of Dardanus, as their king; Dardanus led the rest to the island of Samothrace."Flood Stories from Around the World That same site has many flood legends listed, many of which differ greatly from the Noah account. Also, just look at the flooding events in the last 20 years that would have nearly wiped out ancient cultures. For example, the tsunami in Asia a few years back. Just imagine how devastating that would have been to any culture anywhere around the Indian Ocean. That surely would have sparked a flood legend, wouldn't it? And yet, it was not a global flood. The same could be said of the current flooding in Australia and the devastating lahars produced by multiple volcanoes in the last 50 years. The reason so many cultures have flood legends is that almost every culture probably has suffered a flood somewhere in it's history, but this in no way indicates a global flood.
Even though over time the legends have been embellished, they all share several details in common, indicating a common source narrative: God was angered by mankind's wickedness. He brought a great flood. Mankind as a whole was destroyed. A few righteous ones, however, were preserved. These built a vessel in which humans and animals were saved. In time, birds were sent out to search for dry land. Finally, the vessel came to rest on a mountain. Upon disembarking, the survivors offered a sacrifice. Actually, that isn't true. Many flood legends lack these features as seen here: Flood Stories from Around the World Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 10038 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
There is the on/long-going debate regarding co-existent dino human footprints. Which is somewhat similar to the ongoing debate surrounding the Loch Ness monster.
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goldrush Member (Idle past 4796 days) Posts: 61 Joined: |
No, this is an addition/clarification to a previous post where I stated that I believe our decision to reject or accept a Creator is not purely intellectual (or scientific).
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goldrush Member (Idle past 4796 days) Posts: 61 Joined: |
Ok, but my point was the ones that share the many widespread flood legends with common features that are obviously linked. Of course there are going to be other unrelated stories. I was never contesting that.
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
goldrush writes: Ok, but my point was the ones that share the many widespread flood legends with common features that are obviously linked. Of course there are going to be other unrelated stories. I was never contesting that. To claim that there was a world wide flood as described in the Bible at best makes Christians look ignorant, at worst dishonest. As has been pointed out to you in this thread the Biblical story has been totally and completely refuted. It simply never happened. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Taq Member Posts: 10038 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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Ok, but my point was the ones that share the many widespread flood legends with common features that are obviously linked. Yes, they are linked by sharing a common ancestral culture, such as the Genesis myth being stolen from the much older Mesopotamian myth found in the Enuma Elish. Also, common features such as finding high ground or riding out the flood in a floating container are kind of no brainers. It's not like people are going to try and survive a flood by going to a low lying area and tying themselves to a rock. Is it any surprise that the people who survive in these flood legends either find high ground or find something to float in? There are also cultures with no flood legends. How do you explain that? So your argument pretty much boils down to this. All cultures across the world have flood legends, except the ones that don't. Also, all of these flood legends are nearly the same, except for the ones that are completely different. Does that sound like good evidence?
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goldrush Member (Idle past 4796 days) Posts: 61 Joined:
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The "no brainer" common evidence you cited is actually just bits and pieces of the major common theme and message of the flood legends I cited in my original post. Also the flood date recorded in the Bible coincides with celebrations of the dead held in many lands. The date of the biblical flood and the massive loss of life resulting from it connects it with these celebrations and the common flood legends that share its theme. This data is supporting evidence that the flood legends with the common theme have a basis in a common event and common reality. These similarities show a definate common connection, and yes, it's good evidence. I cannot speak on cultures without this common flood legend, only the ones that do all over the world.
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Taq Member Posts: 10038 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
The "no brainer" common evidence you cited is actually just bits and pieces of the major common theme and message of the flood legends I cited in my original post. Also the flood date recorded in the Bible coincides with celebrations of the dead held in many lands. The date of the biblical flood and the massive loss of life resulting from it connects it with these celebrations and the common flood legends that share its theme. This data is supporting evidence that the flood legends with the common theme have a basis in a common event and common reality. These similarities show a definate common connection, and yes, it's good evidence. I cannot speak on cultures without a flood legend, only the ones that do all over the world. All of which is falsified by the actual physical evidence which does not indicate a global flood. There are many threads on this topic and I urge you to seek them out. We are straying a long way from the topic in this thread so further comments on the flood would probably be better served in those other threads that do focus on a global flood. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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goldrush Member (Idle past 4796 days) Posts: 61 Joined:
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Really the testimony of this common legend should behoove one to reconsider the falsifying "physical" evidence. The common connection though is clear, and does not lie. It speaks for itself.
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