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shadow71
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Message 10 of 32 (605545)
02-20-2011 7:21 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by RAZD
02-19-2011 9:43 PM


Re: To RAZD
razd posted;

Thanks for your question. btw - you may want to read Self-Replicating Molecules - Life's Building Blocks, Part II and watch the video on the possible protocells that have been discussed here.

Hi Razd, I watched the video. The music was great. But if this is science's answer to the orgin of life, you guys are in big trouble.

On this board I have been critized for speculating, dreaming, not showing the evidence etc. and then you have the nerve to show this video?

I think Dr. Szostak should take a couple of years sabbatical and think about his life and studies.

I acutally laughed through most of the "important parts" of the video.

Yes maybe life began that way, and maybe my grandsons theory of the easter bunny is valid.

I would but my money on my grandsons, and they are only 2yr, 18mo. and 7mo.

I'm sure Anthony Flew would get a kick out of that video. Remember he said;

"My departure from atheism was not occasioned by any new phenomenon or argument. Over the last two decades my whole framework of thought has been in a state of migration.This was a consequence of my continuing assessment of the evidence of nature. When I finally came to recognize the existence of a God, it was not a paradigm shift, because my paradigm remains, as Plato in his Republic scriped his Socrates to insist: 'We must follow the argument wherever it leads'."

The argument for the orgin of life does not lead to Dr. Szostak's thoughts or theory.


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shadow71
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Message 18 of 32 (605725)
02-21-2011 7:13 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Dr Adequate
02-20-2011 8:01 PM


Re: To RAZD
Dr Adequate writes;

We can watch liposomes dividing in a laboratory; we know it happens. If, as I suspect, you have a magic-based hypothesis, I should like you to produce equally strong evidence for the occurrence of magic. Otherwise I shall prefer the reality

Do you label Szostak's video and the article by Ricardo and Szostak " life on earth" Scientific America sept. 2009 a:

Theory?
Hypothesis?
Speculation?
Wishful thinking?
Magic based hypothesis?


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shadow71
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Message 19 of 32 (605726)
02-21-2011 7:18 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by RAZD
02-20-2011 8:01 PM


Re: To RAZD
Razd writes;

Which, curiously, is all we can say at this time. Nobody is claiming that this is what happened, only that it is one possibility, one that works with known science and natural processes.

I would ask the same question I asked Dr. Adequate. Do you consider the video and the article by Szostak & Ricardo "Life on Earth" in Scientific America Sept. 2009:

A theory?
A hypothesis?
Speculation?
Wishful thinking?


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shadow71
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Message 30 of 32 (606029)
02-23-2011 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by Wounded King
02-22-2011 6:32 AM


Re: Origin of life on earth.
Wounded King posted;

There is some wishful thinking in there ...

If we assume for the moment that the gaps in our understanding of the chemistry of life's origin will someday be filled

... but on the whole everything they present has solid experimental evidence supporting it as a plausible mechanism, not necessarily what actually happened. Without a time machine that may be the best we can hope for.

TTFN,

Thanks Wounded King. I have a lot reading to do to even try and understand the basics of this thread.


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