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Dr Jack
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Message 84 of 218 (605796)
02-22-2011 7:51 AM
Reply to: Message 79 by slevesque
02-22-2011 6:21 AM


Re: Creationists are not team players
Anyhow, I guess I could give another example: which modern ape is our closest relative ? You'll find a wide range of opinions starting from chimpanzee all the way to bonobo's, going through with orangutans, etc.
You'd figure that by now everyone would have come to an agreement on such a basic question.
This example really doesn't support your premise. The number of people on the side of the Orang form an astonishingly small minority of professional biologists. And most biologists agree that the method he used to come to his conclusion is fundamentally wrong.
There is most certainly "broad scientific consensus" on this.

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Dr Jack
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Message 89 of 218 (605805)
02-22-2011 9:14 AM
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02-22-2011 8:21 AM


Re: Creationists are not team players
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What I'm saying is: this is true only when the set of data forces a single interpretation. In every other case, and I contend that this is by far the majority in science, a given set of data will allow multiple interpretations, and each and every single time you will be able to find some people who hold unto diverging interpretations.
In the specific case you present, the people claiming Orang similarity do it by refusing to recognise the majority of the available data. It's not a question of looking at the data and coming to different conclusions; it's a question of ignoring the data.
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Don't confuse a majority with concensus. As I said, it is my contention that there is concensus on but a few things in science.
I disagree; there is consensus on the vast majority of things in science. However there are also a large number of areas in which there is perfectly reasonable disagreement, normally due to lack of information.
But...
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This is to say, that to demand that all creationists come to the same conclusions is wishful thinking. A lot of them do come to the same conclusions, and there are conclusions that are universally agreed upon by creationists. But to demand that they all agree upon the same things, even in the details, is irrealist.
I agree. That Creos disagree with each other is not a particularly valid criticism in general.

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Dr Jack
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Message 94 of 218 (605812)
02-22-2011 10:21 AM
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02-22-2011 6:29 AM


Re: Team Phat
I offered a different explanation for this, it is that creationists here nowadays are greeted as dumb idiots and that immediatly chases the more reasonable ones. I used my own personal experience from my very first post here, where I remember asking myself if I really had time to lose on this forum after being greeted by Dr.A as if I had an IQ of 50.
So this has nothing to do with me whining about creationism being in a bad light. This is about if you want to have reasonable creos stick around here, don't approach them with a boatload of preconceived notions.
Sounds about right.

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Message 103 of 218 (605846)
02-22-2011 12:47 PM
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02-22-2011 11:27 AM


Re: Re:Maliciously Maligning Minority Members
But when discussing with a creationist, rarely is it someone other then the creationist who reveals factual falsehoods or logical fallacies from an evolutionist in the discussion. I have never, ever observed a bunch of evolutionists correcting one of their own in a discussion with a creationist.
Here's an example
I'm surprised to see you make such a claim because I correct factual errors by my fellow evos on here all the time.

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