Your EvC Debate Dream Team - Fantasy Debating

Mmm, btw, "Adequte" should be "Adequate." Now we're even. OK? How many lively and thought provoking debates have you gotten from True Creation and Tranquility Base types? Are you sure that you want a congenial and tranquil little conventionalist discussion board?How many EvC members would have ever had an awareness of the Biblical prophecies relative to the latter days, alternative views concerning the emerging New World Order, Middle East current events, acclaimed Exodus evidence and alternative views concerning many topics which would never have been on the table if left up to Tranquil Base and True Creation types?If you want a lively, provocative and interesting board, shouldn't you expect incompatible alternative methods, models and MO's among Members?How boring EvC town would be without incompatible Dream Teams to debate alternative mindsets.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Dr Adequate, you and the pack who've received some ideological butt kicking in threads like the Exodus thread take advantage of threads such as this to malign the one who held the skeptical Exodus pack at bay with unrefuted (albeit, debatable) evidence for 35 or so pages of robust legitimate debate.Pernicious opinions pertaining to persons posting unpopular points, opposing positions prescribed by the pack, are inappropriately posited persistently.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

I mean that rigorously debated thread where you people's massive team needed Admin debating and moderating on your behalf, as your attempts to refute cited evidence faltered, against lil' ole creation guy Buz, who single handedly kept the pack of you at bay for 35 or so pages.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

(Color mine for emphasis)Translation: Even though my site is called Creationism vs Evolution-ism (EvC), no creationist of any ilk can legitimately debate in the science creation vs evolution threads where (evolutionist) evidence is required.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

When you said this:

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Just to be clear about one other thing, a creationist is someone who holds beliefs about the real world that are based upon his religious beliefs rather than evidence.

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....you appeared to be implying that, by definition of creationist, evidences acclaimed by creationists cannot be considered legitimate.That attitude bears out in the threads, not only pertaining to you, but to the secularist members (vast dream team majority) here at EvC.What I hope to achieve, so long as I am permitted and able, is to present here and to the www, what has convinced me, beyond the shadow of doubt, that Jehovah exists and that the Biblical record will, in time prove to be accurate.All hypotheses and beliefs have their unknowns. That includes yours and mine. We all debate the evidences, the knowns, the probabilities and the predictions, etc.Much of what is observed to be emerging upon the world scene, as well as other interesting topics, would not have debated without some of us who are low esteemed here at EvC. Perhaps too many of our mean spirited antagonists fail to appreciate how boring this board would be without us.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

LoL with that criteria in the Exodus thread or any of the prophecy threads, etc. For any secularist minded person to admit to even one little bit of Biblical evidence pertaining to the supernatural would mean curtains to the secularist mindset. Thus no matter how empirical the evidence the creationist cites, it isn't going to be considered legitimate by either secularist minded admins or members at large. I've been in here long enough to know that that just isn't going to happen.In my eight years here ne'er one of anything suggesting the supernatural has ever been acceptable as evidence that I have cited. Nada. That's the way it is and that's why people like Jar get a pass for shadowing me 24/7, wherever I go, falsely repeating ad nausea that I've never read the Bible and that nothing I've presented is valid etc, etc. No creationist would get by with that behavior, now, would they?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Ya sure, Ringo. So you agree with the consensus them all that I've never cited one bonafide evidence, suggesting the supernatural, on this board in the past eight years.How about you? Do you agree with that consensus?I speak on behalf of all creationists. So far as I'm aware, nothing any creationist has cited as evidence supportive to the existence of the supernatural has been acknowledge by any of you people, including secularist admins.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Your analogies are non-sequitur, in that none of them have real life physical supportive (I say supportive corroborating evidence, such as was debated in the Exodus thread. Of course, you're aware that nobody is claiming proof of the Biblical related events any more so than you people claim to prove your hypotheses and theories. Evidence, supportive to any hypothesis or theory is just that; supportive evidence.The Exodus thread went thirty-five pages, debating supportive evidences, both pro and con to the hypothesis. Your Exodus multi=member dream team enjoyed the advantage of the pack against one and the referee both reffing and playing on behalf of the big team. In your heart of hearts, do you think that was fair and balanced?My intention here is not to demean you, but to aire some constructive criticism and to vindicate on behalf of the EvC creationist constituency.I debunked some of the opposition's acclaimed supportive evidences to their con arguments as strawmen and supported my reasons in the debate responses. Exchanges like that are what kept the debate interesting, challenging, provocative, lively and ongoing at length. Again, I have never claimed proof either of the above. It would be neat to be afforded the same privilege that your majority dream team enjoys, relative to what constitutes, evidence.Likely I speak in behalf of all creationists, who are present or have come and gone on this count. Perhaps if the majority dream team here on this board would level the playing field on behalf of all, more good players would sign up to both teams, leaving the poor players on the bench watching and learning how the game should be played.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

You've got to be kidding. Every evidence touched on whether the Biblical record of the supernatural event was valid. Debating the Exodus is off topic here. You did not empirically falsify the land bridge. I debated reasons why the terrain likely changed, due to the rush of water and the passing of time relative to currents over the milennia. It's all about the supernatural. You're proving my poignant point posted to Percy. Nonspiritual people persistently expunge posted points supporting supernatural phenomena.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

That's a matter of opinion. Imo, none of the above are as significant or quantitatively expressed as what was cited on the Exodus thread. Personal experience, for example, pertains to persons experiencing phenomena. However, that's never worked for creationists who have applied it as you did in Message 128. They get hammered for it. Furthermore, you implied, in that message that I applied it in the Exodus thread, when you said, "Instead of trying to convince everyone, 'Hey, no need for more evidence, we already have all the evidence we need to prove the supernatural,' which is ludicrous, you should instead seek real evidence."Another applications was: "Sometimes we're lucky and a single piece of evidence is all we need to prove something. .....More from Message 128, to which I will respond here, since it applies: Again, grossly misrepresenting my MO, concerning the flood implying that sea shells were my sole evidence intended by me to prove the flood. Here you apply the divide and conquer tactic, implying over the www that Buzsaw's sole evidence for the Exodus was the wheel shaped corral formations.
(End responses to Message 128. Little David, lowly shepherd came to delivering lunch to his brothers, highly trained warriors in the Israeli Army, noticed that the mighty army stood terrified at the great giant, Goliath, armoured to the teeth, jeering the Israel army, challenging one of them for a fight.Lowly little David, wondered why nobody trusted Jehovah to fell the Giant infidel. Little David, skilled and armed with his little sling said, "I'll go, trusting Jehovah for the victory." Little David, who'd killed a bear and a lion by his skill and practice with the little sling, picked up three little smooth stones, two for good measure. He honed in on the tiny vulnerable unprotected area of the huge giant head, left bare so he could see, let fly, the first little smooth stone and down went Goliath.I've narrated the above to say that sadly, creationists, by and large, know a whole lot about sports statistics and practically nothing about things like Biblical Prophecy and the Exodus evidence, etc.The pulpits in nearly all segments of the Christian community are silent on nearly a third of the Bible involving prophecy. The credentialed graduates and doctors of divinity, trained in the colleges and seminaries, by and large, know more of sports than of the prophecies. They, like the mighty army of Israel are highly trained, but unable to oppose the infidel.Thus, little ole Buz man, armed with decades of home study, pretty much stands alone here at EvC to counter the jeering infidel.The Goliath dream team failed to defeat little David Buz in the Exodus thread, but little Buz man still stands, citing evidence stones, albeit, against the Goliath dream team, thanks be to Jehovah, the only existing god in the Universe! Again, you make my point about the reason that not one evidence cited by creationists, supportive to the supernatural have ever been acknowledged in the nearly eight years that I've been here at EvC. I believe Moose came the closest in the population thread, but short of a definitive admission. Mm Hm. Typical of what has thickened my skin over the years as I've fought the good fight for Jehovah and his Biblical record, mis-representing my MO with statements like, " You can't look at a circular coral formation and conclude "Exodus." Only Jehovah, God knows how many have been either converted, educated, enlightened, edified, encouraged, spiritually renewed and, yes, converted among current members, members no longer with us, guests, and whom so ever, out there connected to the www.Moreover, God's throne room in Heaven exists somewhere out there in the cosmos. The Great White Throne judgment awaits all mankind who ever lived!

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

There comes a time to refrain from repetitively repeated repetitions.Not once did I claim to have provided empirical evidence relative to the shallows, Dr. Jones. Your memory fails. What I did was to debate reasons why a mighty rush of sea and millenniums of time could well have eroded the shallow delta, likely created by the flood from creating the wadi canyon.Moreover, that event was relatively (I say, relatively) near the time of the flood which would have created the delta. More about that, when I find time to get back to the Exodus thread. The wee hrs, here in NY, are telling me I need some rest. Good morning.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

You can't cite, in the archives, where I have treated YECs on this board badly. I am well esteemed in a church full of them with whom I fellowship each sabbath day as well as other personal visits and functions. We have the attitude that iron sharpens iron in our church.My beloved doctor of divinity pastor has allowed me to teach him the prophecies and functions of the Holy Trinity, prayer, etc (Not taught in the universities & seminaries). He teaches me much in history and other knowledge he has acquired in his education. There have been areas in doctrine where the two of us have changed each other's views so as for both of us to be edified and in order that we may, in turn edify others. Pastor is presently teaching a study of Daniel's prophecies, applying only the text, rather than published quarterlies.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Nevertheless, I have at least one bonafide esteemed credentialed marine research scientist, Dr. Lennart Moller, as well as other intelligent company like Lysemachus (remember him?), his friends amd other good company sharing my delusions ABE: LYSEMAUCHUS, WHERE ARE YOU? Edited by Buzsaw, : change phrase and TitleEdited by Buzsaw, : AS NOTED

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

My point was that if I'm delusional, so is an esteemed scientist, who did the research.How do you think he did his other scientific research, without the equipment needful for the marine aspects of it? Why do you think he invested, likely millions in a fully equipped marine ship; for pleasure purposes? I don't think so.How do you think he had the expertise and equipment, with the techy equipment aboard to do the marine research that he documented?Perhaps you could contact him and talk to him about your doubts?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

I don't think a man of his esteem would commit fraud and jeopardise his repution. Moreover, as I told Percy, if I'm delusional, he's delusional.I maintain that if secularist scientists thought they could falsify Moller, they would be there to do so.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.