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Buzsaw
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Message 136 of 218 (606143)
02-23-2011 10:10 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by ringo
02-23-2011 1:30 PM


Re: Creationist Evidences?
ringo writes:

Buzsaw writes:

So you agree with the consensus them all that I've never cited one bonafide evidence, suggesting the supernatural, on this board in the past eight years.

In the Exodus thread, for example, none of your so-called "evidence" touched on the supernatural at all.

You've got to be kidding. Every evidence touched on whether the Biblical record of the supernatural event was valid.

ringo writes:

As I pointed out in that thread, your fictitious "land bridge" would diminish the significance of the supernatural. What does an omnipotent God need a land bridge for? He could have marched the Israelites through the Mariana Trench just as easily as the Red Sea.

Debating the Exodus is off topic here. You did not empirically falsify the land bridge. I debated reasons why the terrain likely changed, due to the rush of water and the passing of time relative to currents over the milennia.

ringo writes:

This is NOT about the supernatural. It's about the same kind of evidence that we need before we can accept the existence of Bigfoot or France. Do we need a thread on "Does France Exist?" before you understand what evidence is?

It's all about the supernatural. You're proving my poignant point posted to Percy. Nonspiritual people persistently expunge posted points supporting supernatural phenomena.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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ringo
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Message 137 of 218 (606144)
02-23-2011 10:23 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by Buzsaw
02-23-2011 10:10 PM


Re: Creationist Evidences?
Busaw writes:

Nonspiritual people persistently expunge posted points supporting supernatural phenomena.


I repeat, your claims diminished the supernatural aspect of the account. You tried to put in fictitious land bridges where God didn't need them. The deeper the water was, the more impressive the miracle would have been but you persist in making it as shallow as you can.

You can't hide behind accusations that everybody else is discounting the supernatural when you're the only one doing that.


"I'm Rory Bellows, I tell you! And I got a lot of corroborating evidence... over here... by the throttle!"

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DrJones*
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Message 138 of 218 (606150)
02-23-2011 11:54 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by Buzsaw
02-23-2011 10:10 PM


Re: Creationist Evidences?
You did not empirically falsify the land bridge

Buz, why would we need to falsify something you have not substaniated? You claimed that the alleged crossing was site was shallow, when it was pointed out to you that it is in fact quite deep you pulled a magical tsunami out of your ass and tried to claim that the current depth was the result of erosion from this mythical tidal wave. When you were challeged to produce some evidence of this tsunami you ran away. Not once did you provide empirical evidence for the alleged land bridge.


It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry

Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
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Buzsaw
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Message 139 of 218 (606160)
02-24-2011 1:00 AM
Reply to: Message 131 by Percy
02-23-2011 2:11 PM


Re: Creationist Evidences?
Percy writes:

Buzsaw writes:

Your analogies are non-sequitur, in that none of them have real life physical supportive (I say supportive corroborating evidence, such as was debated in the Exodus thread).

Sure they have real life physical evidence, just like you. Better than you, in fact. They have photos, movies even, of Bigfoot, alien spacecraft, Nessie and ghosts. They have tufts of Bigfoots hair, metal from the spacecraft, Nessie coprolites, and séances where ghosts make actual personal appearances.

That's a matter of opinion. Imo, none of the above are as significant or quantitatively expressed as what was cited on the Exodus thread. Personal experience, for example, pertains to persons experiencing phenomena.

Percy writes:

Of course, you're aware that nobody is claiming proof of the Biblical related events any more so than you people claim to prove your hypotheses and theories. Evidence, supportive to any hypothesis or theory is just that; supportive evidence.

Everyone here understands this, Buz, and knows precisely how I intended the word "prove". It is only when someone says, "You can't prove (whatever)," that you know someone is misunderstanding how the word "prove" is meant in science.

However, that's never worked for creationists who have applied it as you did in Message 128. They get hammered for it. Furthermore, you implied, in that message that I applied it in the Exodus thread, when you said, "Instead of trying to convince everyone, 'Hey, no need for more evidence, we already have all the evidence we need to prove the supernatural,' which is ludicrous, you should instead seek real evidence."

Another applications was: "Sometimes we're lucky and a single piece of evidence is all we need to prove something. .....

More from Message 128, to which I will respond here, since it applies:

Percy writes:

So you want to prove the global flood, and if there really had been a global flood then fossil sea shells on mountain tops might be from the flood, but it could be due to something else.

Again, grossly misrepresenting my MO, concerning the flood implying that sea shells were my sole evidence intended by me to prove the flood.

Percy writes:

So you want to prove the Exodus, and if there really had been an Exodus then a circular coral formation could be a chariot wheel, but it could be a lot of other things, too.

And on and on.

Here you apply the divide and conquer tactic, implying over the www that Buzsaw's sole evidence for the Exodus was the wheel shaped corral formations.
(End responses to Message 128.

Percy writes:

Your Exodus multi=member dream team enjoyed the advantage of the pack against one...

You mean there were no other creationists who agreed with you and argued your position with you? You mean (gasp!) that creationists aren't team players? Geez, what a novel thought!

Little David, lowly shepherd came to delivering lunch to his brothers, highly trained warriors in the Israeli Army, noticed that the mighty army stood terrified at the great giant, Goliath, armoured to the teeth, jeering the Israel army, challenging one of them for a fight.

Lowly little David, wondered why nobody trusted Jehovah to fell the Giant infidel. Little David, skilled and armed with his little sling said, "I'll go, trusting Jehovah for the victory." Little David, who'd killed a bear and a lion by his skill and practice with the little sling, picked up three little smooth stones, two for good measure. He honed in on the tiny vulnerable unprotected area of the huge giant head, left bare so he could see, let fly, the first little smooth stone and down went Goliath.

I've narrated the above to say that sadly, creationists, by and large, know a whole lot about sports statistics and practically nothing about things like Biblical Prophecy and the Exodus evidence, etc.

The pulpits in nearly all segments of the Christian community are silent on nearly a third of the Bible involving prophecy. The credentialed graduates and doctors of divinity, trained in the colleges and seminaries, by and large, know more of sports than of the prophecies. They, like the mighty army of Israel are highly trained, but unable to oppose the infidel.

Thus, little ole Buz man, armed with decades of home study, pretty much stands alone here at EvC to counter the jeering infidel.

The Goliath dream team failed to defeat little David Buz in the Exodus thread, but little Buz man still stands, citing evidence stones, albeit, against the Goliath dream team, thanks be to Jehovah, the only existing god in the Universe!

Percy writes:

I debunked...

You never. The definition of debunked is not, "I typed a bunch of fallacies, rationalizations and complaints about unfair treatment into a text box." You are seriously delusional, not to mention paranoid.

Again, you make my point about the reason that not one evidence cited by creationists, supportive to the supernatural have ever been acknowledged in the nearly eight years that I've been here at EvC. I believe Moose came the closest in the population thread, but short of a definitive admission.

Percy writes:

The point of my previous post is that it is rare for a single piece of evidence to prove anything. If it were that simple then mankind would have figured out evolution long before Darwin, but it took massive amounts of evidence and thought. You can't look at a circular coral formation and conclude "Exodus!" With so little you're not even up to the first rung on the ladder of confidence for evidence. That you don't understand this, don't even seem to comprehend the volume of shenanigans committed in the name of religion, never learn anything from the sheer number of times they've found things like Noah's Ark, means you are doomed to be convinced by any claims sympathetic to your religious beliefs, no matter how impoverished.

Mm Hm. Typical of what has thickened my skin over the years as I've fought the good fight for Jehovah and his Biblical record, mis-representing my MO with statements like, " You can't look at a circular coral formation and conclude "Exodus."

Percy writes:

If your so-called evidence were so persuasive then you'd have found some converts out there, but you haven't. Your evidence is so weak you can't even convince your own kind, let alone anyone familiar with science and scientific methodologies. Evidence is evidence, Buz, go find some. The rules are the same for everyone, stop moaning and groaning because your evidence doesn't measure up.

Only Jehovah, God knows how many have been either converted, educated, enlightened, edified, encouraged, spiritually renewed and, yes, converted among current members, members no longer with us, guests, and whom so ever, out there connected to the www.

Moreover, God's throne room in Heaven exists somewhere out there in the cosmos. The Great White Throne judgment awaits all mankind who ever lived!


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 140 of 218 (606163)
02-24-2011 1:16 AM
Reply to: Message 138 by DrJones*
02-23-2011 11:54 PM


Re: Creationist Evidences?
Dr Jones writes:

....... you ran away. Not once did you provide empirical evidence for the alleged land bridge.

There comes a time to refrain from repetitively repeated repetitions.

Not once did I claim to have provided empirical evidence relative to the shallows, Dr. Jones. Your memory fails. What I did was to debate reasons why a mighty rush of sea and millenniums of time could well have eroded the shallow delta, likely created by the flood from creating the wadi canyon.

Moreover, that event was relatively (I say, relatively) near the time of the flood which would have created the delta. More about that, when I find time to get back to the Exodus thread. The wee hrs, here in NY, are telling me I need some rest. Good morning.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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PaulK
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Message 141 of 218 (606165)
02-24-2011 1:24 AM
Reply to: Message 135 by Taz
02-23-2011 9:42 PM


Re: Creationist Evidences?
quote:

this true of this side of the fence also? I know I can't stand to read things on those creationist forums anymore. Paul, can you honestly say that you can read a forum full of people like buz and not get high blood pressure?

A forum full of people like Buz would be hard-pressed to stand each other ! Don't forget that Buz thinks that creationists should accept HIS views even when they are even more stupid than standard YEC views. And when creationists disagree it is not uncommon for them to treat each other just as badly as they treat everyone else.

However that's not the point I was making. The rules here - and their enforcement are NOT biased in favour of evolutionists over fair debate. That isn't true on a typical creationist site.


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Percy
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Message 142 of 218 (606197)
02-24-2011 8:21 AM
Reply to: Message 139 by Buzsaw
02-24-2011 1:00 AM


Re: Creationist Evidences?
You are seriously delusional.

--Percy


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jar
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Message 143 of 218 (606207)
02-24-2011 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 140 by Buzsaw
02-24-2011 1:16 AM


Re: Creationist Evidences?
Buzsaw writes:

Dr Jones writes:

....... you ran away. Not once did you provide empirical evidence for the alleged land bridge.

There comes a time to refrain from repetitively repeated repetitions.

Not once did I claim to have provided empirical evidence relative to the shallows, Dr. Jones. Your memory fails. What I did was to debate reasons why a mighty rush of sea and millenniums of time could well have eroded the shallow delta, likely created by the flood from creating the wadi canyon.

Moreover, that event was relatively (I say, relatively) near the time of the flood which would have created the delta. More about that, when I find time to get back to the Exodus thread. The wee hrs, here in NY, are telling me I need some rest. Good morning.

The Biblical Flood has been absolutely and totally refuted.

Every time you assert the Biblical Flood you are posting a FALSEHOOD, a lie.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Dr Adequate
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Message 144 of 218 (606218)
02-24-2011 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 142 by Percy
02-24-2011 8:21 AM


Re: Creationist Evidences?
You are seriously delusional.

--Percy

Oh, right, but I shouldn't be "snarky".


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Taz
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Message 145 of 218 (606220)
02-24-2011 11:27 AM
Reply to: Message 144 by Dr Adequate
02-24-2011 11:17 AM


Re: Creationist Evidences?
DrA, I'm just curious about something. Did they offer Sarcasm 101 or something at the school you went to?

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Buzsaw
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Message 146 of 218 (606226)
02-24-2011 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 141 by PaulK
02-24-2011 1:24 AM


Re: Creationist Dream Teams Fellowships
PaulK writes:

A forum full of people like Buz would be hard-pressed to stand each other ! Don't forget that Buz thinks that creationists should accept HIS views even when they are even more stupid than standard YEC views.

You can't cite, in the archives, where I have treated YECs on this board badly. I am well esteemed in a church full of them with whom I fellowship each sabbath day as well as other personal visits and functions. We have the attitude that iron sharpens iron in our church.

My beloved doctor of divinity pastor has allowed me to teach him the prophecies and functions of the Holy Trinity, prayer, etc (Not taught in the universities & seminaries). He teaches me much in history and other knowledge he has acquired in his education. There have been areas in doctrine where the two of us have changed each other's views so as for both of us to be edified and in order that we may, in turn edify others. Pastor is presently teaching a study of Daniel's prophecies, applying only the text, rather than published quarterlies.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 147 of 218 (606228)
02-24-2011 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 142 by Percy
02-24-2011 8:21 AM


Re: Delusional People?
Percy writes:

You are seriously delusional.

--Percy

Nevertheless, I have at least one bonafide esteemed credentialed marine research scientist, Dr. Lennart Moller, as well as other intelligent company like Lysemachus (remember him?), his friends amd other good company sharing my delusions

ABE: LYSEMAUCHUS, WHERE ARE YOU?

Edited by Buzsaw, : change phrase and Title

Edited by Buzsaw, : AS NOTED


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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jar
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Message 148 of 218 (606231)
02-24-2011 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by Buzsaw
02-24-2011 11:57 AM


Delusional Buz?
Buzsaw writes:

Percy writes:

You are seriously delusional.

--Percy

Nevertheless, I have at least one bonafide esteemed credentialed marine research scientist, Dr. Lennart Moller, as well as other intelligent company like Lysemachus (remember him?), his friends amd other good company sharing my delusions

ABE: LYSEMAUCHUS, WHERE ARE YOU?

Lennart Möller is a respected and credentialed Marine Research Scientist?

Evidence please Buz.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Dr Adequate
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Message 149 of 218 (606236)
02-24-2011 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 145 by Taz
02-24-2011 11:27 AM


Re: Creationist Evidences?
DrA, I'm just curious about something. Did they offer Sarcasm 101 or something at the school you went to?

No, but I do sometimes think that the most pertinent form of ridicule is actual ridicule.

I really don't do it in order to be mean, I just do it because I think it's the most effective and concise way of making the point.

I would not descend to mockery if I knew of a better way. But so often when we see false reasoning it seems that mockery is the best way. Perhaps I am wrong. Perhaps someone better than me could do it better.

It's just the way that I always think about things myself. Given a method of reasoning, the first thing I always ask myself is --- could I use the same method of reasoning to prove that pigs have wings or that I can walk on water? If so, then it's a crappy way of reasoning. So I look for the ridiculous first not because I wish to be mean to people but because I think it's the first test of reasoning.

Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.


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Theodoric
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Message 150 of 218 (606237)
02-24-2011 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by Buzsaw
02-24-2011 11:57 AM


Re: Delusional People?
I have at least one bonafide esteemed credentialed marine research scientist, Dr. Lennart Moller

As has been shown to you HE IS NOT.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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