Born Again

explain to me how a besieged and ravished middle class (lower middle class in my case) can be expected to feed the world when we ourselves are taking home a hundred less dollars a week or more in some cases and are being shoved aside by corporate interests who crow about creating jobs...when all they have done is attempted to replace a million jobs with two million minimum wage jobs?and yes, damn it! I am mad at God also! I work hard...harder than I ever have...and am told that to be christlike requires one to be a cheerful giver and doer. Fine. I try to have a charitable outlook, but feel victimized myself.Perhaps I agree with you. Perhaps I am NOT born again from above. I am not in this christian club to be some suffering servant on the way to the cross of glory.

Doesn't make sense to me.So all it is is being a decent human being?
I do that every day and I don't have any commune with any mythical being.Why do Christians need some outer influence in order to be good? Why not be good for goodness sake?I am also sick of this Christian fallacy that because of their "living Christ" they are some how capable of doing much more good. Its a bunch of bullshit. Their whole attitude towards non-Christians is a subtle and not too subtle demonization.

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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

No one can help you just because you do not like the message.

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Love your enemies!

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No one can help you just because you do not like the message.

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None of us like it. It isnt fair. We work harder for less. Watch while they pull out the nukes and end this competition. It may well be that the so called enlightened saved flock will be the evil wolves...when faced with losing much of what we have to the rest of the world while the rich fiddle.

When Jesus says take up the cross and follow me, did you miss the part about there being sacrifices? Did you think he was preaching about a parade?The most destructive teachings that should be placed at the feet of Christianity are the "Born Again", "Are you Saved" and "Second Coming" teachings as marketed by so much of particularly US based Evangelical, Fundamental and Charismatic Christians.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

To commune with Christ first you should receive Christ.First you should undergod the new birth by receiving Christ as your Lord and Savior.This would be the first step. You begin your communion by going to God in prayer and confessing that you are a sinner, even a helpless sinful person. You agree with God that you stand before Him a condemned sinner, guilty, and only good to be damned.This seems a step very hard for some people to bring themselves to do. Even over an entire lifetime they may never be able to humble themselves to admit to God that they are sinful and guilty.So I would say that the first step is to come to Christ for the purpose to be receive Him as the Lord or your life and the Savior that you cannot live without for another day.If one cannot have a good start in turning over the steering wheel of their life to the Lord Jesus, I do not know what sense there is to go on to tell him about communing with Christ.In short, if you cannot humble yourself to confess to Christ that you desire Him to be your Lord, it is useless to go on to inquire how to commune with Christ.This might be like a person asking how do you have a good strong opening in a chess game, but the asker refuses to touch a chess board and its pieces.Let's say the sinner humbles himself to ask Jesus to come into his life to be his Lord, his Savior. How then can he go on to built up the habbit of enjoying Christ, communing with Christ, abiding in Christ, and fellowshipping with Christ ?I'll leave that for a subsequent post judging by your response to this post. Is your reaction still "Good Grief" ? Is your reaction to "communing with Christ" still one of sneering cynicism as if this is an absurd idea that no intelligent person would ever entertain ?Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

How do you receive Christ?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Did you notice these words that I wrote above explaining something about receiving Christ ? Christ is risen. Christ is alive. And Jesus Christ is quite willing to be the believer's Lord and Savior.Spending some time having a good talk with the Lord Jesus, confessing your sins and thanking Him for coming into you according to His promise, is a good start.He is faithful. It is not just a matter of our faith. That is only one half of the equation. The other half is the Christ is faithful. John 6:37 - "All that the Father gives to Me will come to Me, and him who comes to Me I shall by no means cast out." This is good verse to take to God directly in prayer, encouraging one's heart to be bold to step forward to receive the Lord.It is very effective to pray God's words in the Bible back to God with praises and thanksgivings, standing on His promises.Another good passage about receiving Christ is in Romans 10: I would emphasize the "mouth" here. It is good for you to hear yourself confess "Jesus is Lord ". It is good to hear yourself confess "I confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. I DO believe in my heart that God has raised Him from the dead." This is not a time to argue over "saved". This is not a time to argue that there are other passages in the Bible. We all know that. This is not a time to argue about the sheep and the goats in Matthew 25.Even difficult problems in the bible can wait. This fellowship is simply about your question of how to receive the Lord. I would encourage the speaking with the mouth to be definite. And I would emphasize the surrendering to the lordship of Jesus Christ agreeing with God that you cannot go on without the Savior Christ.I also would encourage not looking to feelings. But first giving thanks in faith. Fact - Faith - Experience. In that order.When you do receive the Lord Jesus Christ Who is the life giving Spirit of the God-man on the throne in heaven, it is inevitable that it will hit you that something has changed in your heart.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Read what you wrote, but it didn't answer the question.How do you know when you are dealing with Jesus and not some imposter?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Jar, this is a different question.By the way, I do not know that you have not already received Christ at some past time in your life. I simply gave some reply to "How do you receive Christ?"I don't know that you have not. Okay? Some of your posts sound funny to me for a person who has. But I am not God and do not know your life's experience. I only know what you asked and get some indications about what you believe by some things you write.But I did reply well to your question of How to receive Christ.I do not expect everyone to have the identical same experience. But not expecting everyone to have the identical same experience does not stop me from giving you some reasonably reliable help on HOW to receive Christ, which I have done.Now is your request "Solve all my problems with Christianity!" or was it simply "How does one receive Christ?" ?Don't morph this simple and hopefully honest question into something more like "Solve all my problems in Christian theology in a post please." Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Sorry but it really is the same question.All this crap about receive Christ and commune with Christ and saying "Lord Lord" comes across as nothing but feel good bullshit.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Well, I will not argue about this if you despise what I wrote.But you don't know unless you do it. You see you can spend your whole life in a sneer "This is crap about receiving Jesus."Or you can try it. Actually God is not on trial. But for politeness sake I will put it that way ... you don't know if you don't "try" it.I found it effective to go out somewhere where I can speak out loud and not be self conscious. A nice walk in a field where I can raise my voice as I talk to the Lord Jesus.But if not, the privacy of your room is good. Anywhere is good.Just calling on His name "O Lord Jesus. Lord Jesus. O Lord I confess I need you as my Savior, my Lord and Savior. Lord Jesus."Now it is funny that I have seen people be cynical like yourself, concerning speaking to the Lord Jesus. But their hands get kind of sweaty when it comes down to actually calling on the Lord Jesus.There is an event horizon it seems, like the edge of a black hole. Only this is a glorious golden hole not a destructive black hole. You get close to that edge and you will likely sense the pull.What pull? What happens when you confess that you are a sinner in need of the salvation of Jesus. And you open, open, open your heart and open your mouth in faith to receive the Lord. " Lord Jesus, I just receive You. Lord Jesus I just open my heart right now and receive You as my Lord. I put my trust in your promise. He who comes to you you will not cast out. I am that sinner, Lord, I am coming to You. I am coming just as I am. Your redemption is what I need. Your death for my sins is what I need. and I trust that you are risen from the dead. And I just open to receive You Lord Jesus." Or any honest prayer from the heart. And the FAITHFUL Christ will come into your heart. Inivitably it will hit you that something has changed and it is very very POSITIVE toward God.The Peace. The sense of the closure of your past and a love of the Father now puts the receiver at peace in the universe. It is a new beginning.These are trustworthy words you are reading. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Yawn.Again, nothing there but feel good. Sorry.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Thank God for His marvelous faithfulness. " For the Scripture says, Everyone who believes on Him shall not be put to shame." (Romans 10:11) Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

"Faith moves mountains - of inventory" (96th Rule of Acquisition)

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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts