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Author Topic:   Is my rock designed?
Robert Byers
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Message 200 of 219 (642574)
11-29-2011 7:48 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by Percy
11-29-2011 7:17 AM


Just to throw in my two cents in.
Design always means the fantastic complexity of nature.
Not rounded stones.
Design is where a human being understands that such a complex thing could only of come from complex processes.
Design is likely or very reasonably to be seen where complexity of process can't be mere happanchance.

Therefore its reasonable to see design and not see evolutionary etc processes.
Then from there take on attempts to deny complex processes and replace them with simple step evolutionism.

Design equals complexity equals complex processes.
Sum. God plus his mechanisms.


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Robert Byers
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Message 206 of 219 (642725)
12-01-2011 12:26 AM


Everyone.
by design i mean the great claim of iD that the universe is easily seen as designed because of its great complexity.
Round stones are a trivial operation that only taps into the greater design that includes processes of movement affecting material.

iD is simply demanding that the great complexity mankind has always seen could only come from great processes in nature.
They are reasonably too complex for trivial cause and effect without a thinking being involved.

one can not dismiss the obviousness of wonderful complexity as a teaching of a designer.
Critics must go a long way to show the universe is not designed.


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Robert Byers
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Message 210 of 219 (642798)
12-01-2011 7:32 PM
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12-01-2011 9:26 AM


Re: Is the question too difficult?
Well this is a obscure point.
ID is a bigger idea for the universe.
So processes only exist because of a creator.
So forces pushing rocks about are a minor process but within a bigger concept of the universe.
In both natural or man made rounded stones it was a special mechanism working upon parent material.
Both demonstrate a creator.
Natures rocks are from existing processes.
These processes show a creator.

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Robert Byers
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From: Toronto,canada
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Message 216 of 219 (642945)
12-02-2011 8:59 PM
Reply to: Message 212 by Admin
12-01-2011 8:48 PM


Re: Moderator Request
Why?
you gave no reason?
Yet I can still post and not banned like everywhere else.
my answers are good and reasonable and not breaking any rules.
This is a conversation to persuade each other.
Nothing wrong WHATSOEVER with my answers here.
I know that.
I address in good faith and humour and will everyone here.
The whole thread is show the wrong thinking of creationists.
If we are wrong then we must see our error.
Banning us for the error , we do not see, is very oddly wrong.
One should seek a audience and not censor away one side.
can i get a vote on this?!

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