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Author Topic:   Is my rock designed?
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Message 187 of 219 (641900)
11-23-2011 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 180 by SavageD
11-22-2011 9:25 PM


Re: Is my rock designed?
Actually, we can detect design, and also detect those things that have not been designed.

The latter is the more important point. It is absolutely clear that living things are not designed. It is absolutely clear that rocks, sand dunes, tree rings, galaxies, mountains, are not designed.

The issue is the utter nonsense called "Intelligent Design".

There are people that make claims that there is some universal designer, but they have never presented any evidence of that "designer" much less that that designer is in any way intelligent.


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Message 191 of 219 (642030)
11-24-2011 11:43 PM
Reply to: Message 190 by Coyote
11-24-2011 11:33 PM


Re: Design
There is one other important point that needs to be stressed, and that is that the designer when it comes to such artifacts is a known and verifiable entity; the designer is humans and we also have additional evidence from multiple lines that the designer did exist at that time and at that place.

So far not one of the Intelligent Design supporters has presented comparable evidence of the existence of their Designer.


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Message 194 of 219 (642322)
11-27-2011 4:21 PM
Reply to: Message 193 by SavageD
11-27-2011 4:07 PM


Re: Design Detection For Beginners
I'm however curious, if ever you were to come across an object that was built using methods outside your knowledge base.

How would you infer a designer?

You would not infer a designer.

A designer is only a possibility when there is a very good reason to think that there was a designer.

For example, you MIGHT be able to conclude there was a designer if you came across a spaceship. Note the emphasis on MIGHT.

Before we conclude that there was a designer we need to examine those parts that correspond to known designs. How is it unlike things we know are not designed like rocks and critters and galaxies?


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