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GDR
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Message 18 of 141 (261897)
11-21-2005 10:58 AM
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11-21-2005 3:52 AM


Re: how do you respond to Wheeler?
You might be interested in the writings of Gerald Scroeder who was trained at MIT and now works at the U of Jerusalem and speaks and writes at great length on this subject. He is certainly more current than Wheeler.
He goes into string theory with the idea that each string is really, at its most basic, information.
Here is his web site. http://www.geraldschroeder.com/

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Message 35 of 141 (262141)
11-21-2005 7:10 PM
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Re: how do you respond to Wheeler?
randman writes:
If you can help illuminate any physics principles, especially Zeilinger's thesis, please feel free to do so. It helps to have some actual working physicists post on the topic even if you disagree with the It from Bit concept.
Boy have I got you buffaloed. I have just the most basic grasp on the concepts and zero knowledge of the math. Actually Schroeder's book is very readable with a very basic understanding of the principles.

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Message 40 of 141 (262189)
11-21-2005 9:01 PM
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11-21-2005 7:52 PM


Re: how do you respond to Wheeler?
randman writes:
By the way, I enjoyed thinking of Barbour's thesis immensely.
My own take is that space and time are not absolute qualities of existence but relative aspects of existence.
Actually Barbour's theories and Scroeder's ideas come at things from totally different perspectives but are at the same time compatible. The comment that really got me thinking was Don Page's comment on Barbour's work, when he said that eventually we will not only find that time is illusionary but so is space. Where do you go from there?
I've read a number of your thoughts and you really should read "The Hidden Face of God" by Schroeder. The book is on this very topic and covers it from the point of view of the biologist, the cosmologist and the theologist. (He's Jewish which I guess is pretty obvious.)
By the way, congratulations on your recent promotion. Will you be joining the admin union?

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Message 42 of 141 (262198)
11-21-2005 9:08 PM
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11-21-2005 8:56 PM


Re: Does that make ID viable science now?
Toronto Globe and Mail writes:
"Our fate is not just sealed by our genetic inheritance, but by how the genes are sculpted by their environment," said Mr. Meaney's research partner, Moshe Szyf, a professor of pharmacology.
Researchers have mapped the billions of building blocks that make up human DNA and it seems every day they isolate another gene linked to specific characteristics or illness.
But scientists have known for some time that it is the chemical coating on the surface of genes that determines which genes in the cell will be activated and which will not.
Diet, maternal nurturing and even the weather can trigger changes to that chemical coating on the surface without changing the genetic code within.
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