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Tangle
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Message 46 of 88 (847225)
01-19-2019 1:57 PM
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01-19-2019 1:37 PM


Re: What Would Jesus Declare In 2019?
Candle2 writes:

Minchin is a fool.

Bad start.

Evolution has nothing to do with science. It is simply a false belief system. One in which adherents cling to regardless of evidence.

Getting worse.

When Dr. Schwierter discovered soft tissue in a (supposedly) 75,000,000 year old T-Rex fossil. It sent the evolutionist community into a frenzy.

No it didn't. And the name is Schweitzer in case you want to google some actual facts instead of the bollocks you've swallowed from you backward friends.

They would not accept that the fossil had pliable veins, muscle, and collagen, even though nearly two dozen tests had been performed on it. Many of these so-called open-minded evolutionists refused to believe what they were observing. Some are on tecord as saying that they would never change their world view, regardless of the evidence

Instead of accepting the obvious ( that Dinos are only thousands of years old) they insist that iron preserved the soft tissue.

Why don't you read some of the actual science about this instead of regurgitating this crap?

C14, which has a half life of roughly 5730 years, should have no detectable amount on fossils more than 75,000 years old. Yet, what we observe is thousands of fossils with significant amounts of C14 present. Now there are many fossils with soft tissue (squishy) in them.

Still more crap.

There are multiple dozens of eyewitnesse accounts of dino sightings. Alexander the Great; Marco Polo; Pliny; St. Georgee; and, Herodotus are just a few of reputable humans who have seen Dinos; yet, open-minded evolutionists reject these observations.

Ffs

Reliefs, etchings, and drawings of Dinos on pottery, rocks, an caves are also rejected by them, even though they were done before science even knew what Dinos look like

What we observe is that humans produce humans; dogs produce dogs; dolphins produce dolphins; and, oak trees produce oak trees.

In other words, kind produce same kind. Anything else is just wishful thinkin. And, wishful thinking is exactly what evolutionists base their views on.

Look, you're just another crazy fundy that drifts in here every so often and dump this crap into our laps like we've never heard it all before and refuted it a thousand times. Traditionally you bugger off after a couple more posts. Prove that you're different by picking just one of the above errors, start a thread on it and we'll explain as pleasantly as we can why your wrong.

You could start right here by defending your rediculous statement that our food is contaminated.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 47 of 88 (847229)
01-19-2019 3:50 PM
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01-19-2019 9:09 AM


Re: What Would Jesus Declare In 2019?
A Consumer Report test of commerically raised catfish revealed them to have bacteria counts of more than 27,000,000 per gram.

That's what happens when you leave your catch on the back porch sitting out in the sun for a couple days. Bacteria will just sprout up everywhere in the fish in a process called spontaneous generation. Has a lot to do with the number of tachyons in the ethersphere.

Jesus once fed 5000 people with a few loaves of bread and a few fish. Another time it was 4000.

That's a gross over-exaggeration. Most of the ancient books were rejected for political reasons at Nicaea. Look up the Book of Ramsay where he gives, not just a description of the entree, but the recipe as well. If I recall correctly, Jesus ordered the ham sandwich.

Yet, this same Jesus (Mark 5) allowed 2000 head of swine to plunge into the sea.

Lemmings, Candle2. They were lemmings. You guys can't get anything right, can ya.

No one but you, yourself, has said that God poisoned (contaminated, polluted) meat.

You're the one who said it. Re-read your posts ... carefully.

A rational mind never made this stupid statement, an irrational mind did.

Yah, I know. You shouldn't have made such a stupid statement.

And to state that certain animals were not permitted to be eaten because they are contaminated in a religious sense is silly. It reeks of desperation.

I think we can all see where the desperation is coming from.

God does not withhold good things from those who love Him.

Except intellect.

He only wiithholds harmful things, just as any loving parent does.

Now you're talking vaccinations. I wish you would keep to one subject at a time, please.


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Message 48 of 88 (847239)
01-19-2019 5:53 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by LamarkNewAge
01-18-2019 10:56 PM


Re: Is a chicken a scavenger?
There is nothing contaminated about chicken. Chickens do not scavengers for dead meat; they are not scavengers in that sense. They are foragers.

I know that there was a.discussion about chicken being unclean in the late 1800's. It's been a while since I read the article

Chickens are not "birds of prey"; "creeping thing"; "creeping thing that flies"; "bottom feeder"; or an animal or bird condned by God

A much tougher question for me was that of tuna. Tuna have fins and to a degree scales, but not many. Because of doubt I refrain from tuna.

Instead of searching Google for loopholes, or trying to cast doubt on meat that is acceptable, you might cut out meat that you know God forbids and pray for the wisdom to know the difference.


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Message 49 of 88 (847243)
01-19-2019 6:36 PM
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01-18-2019 7:51 AM


Re: What Would Jesus Declare In 2019?
Catholicism has nothing to do with me. Catholicism is nothing more than the revised " Babylonian Mystery Religion," condemned so harshly in Rev 17 & 18.

It is also the two-horned beast in Rev 13, who appears as a lamb but speaks as a dragon


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Message 50 of 88 (847244)
01-19-2019 6:37 PM
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01-19-2019 6:36 PM


Re: What Would Jesus Declare In 2019?
Catholicism is nothing more than the revised " Babylonian Mystery Religion," condemned so harshly in Rev 17 & 18.

It is also the two-horned beast in Rev 13, who appears as a lamb but speaks as a dragon

You got THAT right, candle2.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 51 of 88 (847245)
01-19-2019 6:43 PM
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01-19-2019 1:57 PM


Re: What Would Jesus Declare In 2019?
I can tell that you are frustrated. And why wouldn't you be? Your only defense is to deny, deny, deny. I am now used to evolutionists doing this.

Your name calling rreflects your character, not mine.


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Message 52 of 88 (847246)
01-19-2019 6:48 PM
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01-19-2019 3:50 PM


Re: What Would Jesus Declare In 2019?
Most of the ancient books were rejected for political reasons at Nicaea.

SO sorry, Mr. Gullible Christianity hater, but they were rejected for good solid theological reasons, because they are heresies.


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Message 53 of 88 (847252)
01-19-2019 8:35 PM
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01-19-2019 6:48 PM


Re: What Would Jesus Declare In 2019?
SO sorry, Mr. Gullible Christianity hater, but they were rejected for good solid theological reasons, because they are heresies.

Sorry, Ms Humanity Hater, but one cult's heresy is another cult's dogma.


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Message 54 of 88 (847253)
01-20-2019 12:07 AM
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01-19-2019 8:35 PM


Re: What Would Jesus Declare In 2019?
So very very sorry again Mr. Humanity Hater (which you really are), but Nicaea is part of the heritage of traditional orthodox Christianity, no cult except according to lying Christianity haters who don't know what they are talking about. Nicaea defined the Deity of Christ against the Arians who denied it, and as a necessary corollary the Trinity. The Nicene Creed comes down to us from that council, embraced by the Protestant Reformation which is the pivotal event definitive of orthodox traditional Christianity. Any cult that follows the heresies rejected by Nicaea is an anti-trinitarian cult; there are lots of those around, clearly understood to be cults, though perhaps you might prefer one of them to the true faith just to be contrary.

THE NICENE CREED

We believe in one God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, Very God of Very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father by whom all things were made; who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Mary, and was made man, and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate. He suffered and was buried, and the third day he rose again according to the Scriptures, and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father. And he shall come again with glory to judge both the quick and the dead, whose kingdom shall have no end.

And we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life, who proceedeth from the Father, who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, who spoke by the prophets. And we believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. And we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen."

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Message 55 of 88 (847258)
01-20-2019 1:56 AM


What is wrong with hand washing (which alone shot up life expectancy by decades)?
Anthrax deaths from animals like cows way outnumber problems from pork and parasites.

quote:

[700 BC was the ancient origins of anthrax? ]

Anthrax is thought to have originated in Egypt and Mesopotamia. Many scholars think that in Moses time, during the 10 plagues of Egypt, anthrax may have caused what was known as the fifth plague, described as a sickness affecting horses, cattle, sheep, camels and oxen.

Ancient Greece and Rome were also well acquainted with anthrax, and this is illustrated in many of the ancient writings of the most famous scholars from those times. For example, many scholars think anthrax was depicted by Homer in The Iliad, written around 700 BC, and in poems by Virgil, who lived from 70-19 BC. Some even suggest that anthrax may have contributed to the fall of Rome.

https://www.cdc.gov/anthrax/resources/history/index.html


It hits the Middle East alot, even today.

quote:

....
As a general matter, anthrax spores germinate to produce multiplying vegetative forms only after infecting a living host. That host is most commonly a herbivore which, grazing in an anthrax-contaminated field, ingests the bacillus along with its feed and is then infected through some preexisting gastrointestinal lesion. Once inside the body of a cow, for example, anthrax spores are carried to its lymphatics, where they begin to germinate. The first vegetative bacilli entering the cow's blood stream are effectively filtered by the animal's reticuloendothelial system. But even then the bacilli are releasing toxins, which soon overwhelm the poor beast. As the disease approaches its end stage, the number of anthrax bacteria in a host can double in less than two hours, and this chaotic growth eventually produces massive toxemia that destroys the endothelial cell lining of blood vessels.

....

IS ANTHRAX AS RARE AS THEY SAY? Not in animals it isn't. Cases of livestock anthrax are reported almost every year throughout the world. Spain, Albania, Italy, and Romania suffer significant outbreaks on a regular basis. Turkey, Greece, and Russia are subject to widespread infections. The Middle East and Central Asia comprise an "anthrax belt" in which severe epidemics are commonplace. Chinese livestock are riddled with anthrax in most sections of the country. Australia experienced a major epidemic in early 1997. The disease is endemic in Mexico, Honduras, Nicaragua, and Costa Rica, and hyperendemic in El Salvador, Guatemala, and Peru. Here in the United States, livestock vaccination and antibiotic prophylaxis have become almost routine during the past few decades, and anthrax outbreaks are recorded at nowhere near the levels they were before World War II. But they are not unheard of; Texas has a particular problem, with 56 separate confirmed incidents between 1979 and 1997.

....

HAS NATURALLY OCCURRING ANTHRAX EVER BEEN A SIGNIFICANT HUMAN HEALTH PROBLEM? Yes. Throughout much of recorded history, anthrax has periodically devastated both rural and urban populations. For instance: The mystery has never been solved definitively, but more than a few medical historians have long believed that the 430-427 b.c. "plague of Athens," a famously gruesome, eyewitness account of which appears in Thucydides' "History of the Peloponnesian War," was a bacillus anthracis pandemic. Certain symptoms Thucydides described--fever, bleeding, and "small pustules and ulcers"--are strikingly consistent with a severe form of cutaneous anthrax infection, in which the bacteria enter the body through abrasions on the skin, which then breaks out into ulcerating lesions and large, scabby "eschars." It is from the color and discomfort of these characteristic eschars, incidentally, that the anthrax bacillus derives its scientific name, after the Greek word (anthrakis) for "burning coal." In the third book of "The Georgics," his idealization of rustic life in first-century b.c. Rome, the poet Virgil paused for a moment to acknowledge that anthrax epidemics were a downside, choking "the very stalls with carrion-heaps that rot in hideous corruption" and afflicting any man who dared come near an infected animal with "red blisters and an unclean sweat"--until "his noisome limbs . . . no long tarriance made, the fiery curse his tainted frame devoured." For most of the next two thousand years, anthrax outbreaks swept across huge tracts of land from time to time, killing massive numbers of people in 14th-century Germany and 17th-century Central Europe and Russia, for example. In fact, anthrax remained so central to medical consciousness in the late 19th century that modern microbiology was founded specifically on its study. Anthrax was the first disease for which a microbial etiology was firmly established, by Louis Pasteur in 1876. IS NATURALLY OCCURRING ANTHRAX A SIGNIFICANT HUMAN HEALTH PROBLEM TODAY? Yes and no

https://www.weeklystandard.com/david-tell/all-about-anthrax


Millions of people died each and every year BEFORE 1881.

Pigs are safer to eat, and always were.

Look at the animals that kill people today.

quote:

Top 8 Deadliest & Most Common Types of Foodborne Pathogens
By Stanley Rutledge Posted August 9, 2016 In Food Safety News

Learn how to avoid getting sick every year from the top 8 most common types of foodborne illnesses. The CDC estimates that one in six Americans (48 million people) gets sick from foodborne diseases. Beyond falling ill, 128,000 are hospitalized and 3,000 cases turn deadly.

What they are, how they get into your food, and how to avoid getting sick
At the center of all this devastating sickness and death lie eight of the most common and deadly foodborne pathogens, which the CDC identifies as:

Campylobacter
Clostridium perfringens
E. coli
Listeria monocytogenes
Norovirus
Salmonella
Staphylococcus aureus
Toxoplasma

Campylobacter

Campylobacteriosis is an infectious disease caused by a bacteria called Campylobacter. Most people who become ill with campylobacteriosis get diarrhea, cramping, abdominal pain, and fever within two to five days after exposure. The diarrhea may be bloody and can be accompanied by nausea and vomiting. The illness typically lasts about one week. Some infected people dont have any symptoms. In those with compromised immune systems, Campylobacter occasionally spreads to the bloodstream and causes a serious life-threatening infection.

Infection occurs most commonly by ingestion of the bacteria via contaminated food or water, particularly raw or undercooked meats (especially poultry) or raw milk, and from contact with pets (especially puppies and kittens), farm animals, and infected infants.

Campylobacter can affect anyone; however, the most vulnerable are very young children (5 years and under) and the elderly.

You can help prevent exposure to Campylobacterand ALL harmful pathogens that cause foodborne illnessby diligently doing many food safety basics like proper hand washing, keeping food prep areas clean, and cooking meats to safe temperatures.

....

Clostridium perfringens

Clostridium perfringens (C. perfringens) is a bacteria found in many environmental sources and in the intestines of humans and animals. C. perfringens is commonly found on raw meat and poultry. It grows best in conditions with very little or no oxygen, and, under ideal conditions, it can multiply very rapidly. Some strains of C. perfringens produce a toxin in the intestine that causes illness.

People infected with C. perfringens develop diarrhea and abdominal cramps within 6 to 24 hours (typically 8 to 12 hours). Symptoms usually begins suddenly and last for less than 24 hours. People infected with C. perfringens usually do not have fever or vomiting.

Everyone is susceptible to becoming ill from C. perfringens. The very young and elderly are most at risk, though, and can experience more severe symptoms that may last for one to two weeks. Complications, including dehydration, may occur in severe cases.

....

E. coli

Escherichia coli (E. coli) are a large and diverse group of bacteria. Although most strains of E. coli are harmless, others can make you sick. Some kinds of E. coli can cause diarrhea while others cause urinary tract infections, respiratory illness, pneumonia, and other illnesses.

Some of the most harmful E. coli strains cause disease by making a toxin called Shiga toxin. These are called Shiga toxin-producing E. coli, or STEC. You might hear these bacteria called verocytotoxic E. coli (VTEC) or enterohemorrhagic E. coli (EHEC); these all refer to the same group of bacteria. The STEC strain E. coli O104:H4 that caused a large outbreak in Europe in 2011 was frequently referred to as EHEC. The most commonly identified STEC in North America is E. coli O157:H7 (often shortened to E. coli O157 or even just O157). When you hear news reports about outbreaks of E. coli infections, theyre usually talking about E. coli O157.

Symptoms of STEC infections vary for each person but often include severe stomach cramps, diarrhea (often bloody), and vomiting. Some types of STEC frequently cause severe disease including hemolytic uremic syndrome (HUS), which is a type of kidney failure. If fever is present, it usually isnt very high (less than 101˚F). Most people get better within five to seven days. Some infections are very mild, but others are severe or even life-threatening.

People of any age can become infected with E. coli. Very young children and the elderly are more likely to develop severe illness and HUS than others, but even healthy older children and young adults can become seriously ill.

....

Listeria monocytogenes

Listeriosis is a serious infection usually caused by eating food contaminated with the bacteria Listeria monocytogenes.

Someone with listeriosis usually has fever and muscle aches, which are sometimes preceded by diarrhea or other gastrointestinal (GI) symptoms. Almost everyone diagnosed with listeriosis has an invasive infection where the bacteria spreads beyond the GI tract.

Symptoms do vary, though, depending on the infected person.

Pregnant women typically experience fever and other non-specific symptoms like fatigue and aches. However, infections during pregnancy can lead to miscarriage, stillbirth, premature delivery, or life-threatening infection of the newborn. Symptoms in others can include headache, stiff neck, confusion, loss of balance, and convulsions, in addition to fever and muscle aches. In older adults and people with immunocompromised conditions, septicemia and meningitis are the most common clinical presentations.

Listeria primarily affects older adults, pregnant women, newborns, and adults with weakened immune systems. However, people outside of these groups can also get sick.

....

Norovirus

Norovirus is a very contagious virus that can infect anyone. You can get it from an infected person, contaminated food or water, or by touching contaminated surfaces. The virus causes your stomach or intestines or both to get inflamed. This leads you to have stomach pain, nausea, diarrhea, and vomiting. These symptoms can be serious for some people, especially young children and older adults, who are most vulnerable.

....

Salmonella

Salmonella is a bacteria commonly found in raw food products that come from animals such as eggs, egg products, meat, meat products, unpasteurized milk, or other unpasteurized dairy products.

Most people infected with Salmonella develop diarrhea, fever, and abdominal cramps between 12 and 72 hours after infection. The illness usually lasts four to seven days, and most individuals recover without treatment. In some cases, diarrhea may be so severe that the infected person needs to be hospitalized. For these people, the Salmonella infection may spread from the intestines to the blood stream and then to other body sites. This can ultimately cause death unless the person is treated promptly with antibiotics.

People most at risk for a severe Salmonella infection are the elderly, infants, and those with impaired immune systems.

....

Staphylococcus aureus

Staphylococcus aureus (Staph) is a common bacterium found on the skin and in the noses of up to 25% of healthy people and animals. Usually it causes no illness in these healthy people unless its transmitted to food products. Staph has potential to be a very harmful pathogen because it can make several types of toxins, many of which are responsible for food poisoning.

Staphylococcal food poisoning is a GI illness. Its caused by eating foods contaminated with toxins produced by Staph. Food workers who carry Staph and then handle food without washing their hands contaminate foods by direct contact. The bacterium can also be found in unpasteurized milk and cheese products. Staph toxins are resistant to heat, so they cant be destroyed by cooking. Foods at highest risk of producing toxins from Staph are those that are made by hand and require no cooking like sliced meat, puddings, pastries, and sandwiches.

Staph toxins are fast-acting, sometimes causing illness in as little as 30 minutes after eating contaminated foods; however, symptoms usually develop within one to six hours. People infected typically experience several of the following symptoms: nausea, vomiting, stomach cramps, and diarrhea.

Everyone is at risk for Staph food poisoning.

....

https://stopfoodborneillness.org/...adly-foodborne-pathogens


Looks like washing hands (nevermind European Christians ANTI HAND WASHING Mark 7 text aside)

See this link, below, for specific foods that have brought deaths.

Looks like most of it is from Chicken, Turkey, and Beef.

https://www.healthline.com/...rne-illness-outbreaks#botulism

quote:

Foodborne illness, or food poisoning, affects about one in six Americans every year. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that of these cases, there are 128,000 hospitalizations and 3,000 deaths annually.

You can get food poisoning when your food carries dangerous germs or toxins. Salmonella is the most common known cause of hospitalization due to food poisoning in the United States with over 19,000 cases per year.

This pathogen, along with others, can get into your food through:

improper food handling
unsafe practices on farms
contamination during manufacturing or distributing
contamination in stores

Read about the biggest foodborne outbreaks in recent U.S. history, and learn how to recognize food poisoning and protect yourself from it.

Salmonella outbreaks over time

....

Most people recover from Salmonella infection within four to seven days. Symptoms such as diarrhea, fever, and abdominal cramps usually appear 12 to 72 hours after infection. Treatment includes antidiarrheal medications, antibiotics, and fluids and electrolytes.

2009: PCA peanut butter
The Peanut Corporation of America (PCA) experienced a Salmonella outbreak. According to CDC, 714 people got sick and nine died from PCAs peanut butter. The company prompted a recall of over 3,600 peanut butter products. PCA is now bankrupt.

2011: Cargill ground turkey
Cargill recalled 36 million pounds of ground turkey when it suspected the meat may have been contaminated with an antibiotic-resistant strain of Salmonella. This outbreak caused at least one death and about 136 illnesses across 34 states.

2013: Foster Farms chicken
California chicken producer Foster Farms was suspected of infecting a total of 634 persons with Salmonella. Incidents spread across 29 states and Puerto Rico, but no deaths were reported. The company issued a voluntary recall on all Foster Farms brand chicken products.

2015: Mexican cucumbers
Salmonella from cucumbers imported from Mexico infected 907 people in 40 states. This outbreak resulted in the hospitalization of more than 200 persons and six deaths.

The cucumbers were distributed by Andrew & Williamson Fresh Produce. The company issued two separate recalls.

....

Escherichia coli outbreaks in food

....

E. coli bacteria normally lives in the intestines of animals and humans. However, infections from certain strains of this bacteria can sicken humans. Symptoms usually develop three to four days after exposure. They include:

diarrhea
bloody stools
abdominal pain
vomiting
fever (occasional)
The strain of E.coli most often associated with outbreaks produces a toxin. The toxin is what causes the illness, so antibiotics are ineffective. According to the CDC, antibiotics and anti-diarrhea medicines may increase risk of complications. Treatment involves rest, fluids, and, in severe cases, hospitalization.

1993: Jack in the Box hamburgers
Four people in Washington and California died from eating contaminated meat from Jack in the Box. Hundreds of other customers also fell ill. This caused a national panic, nearly resulting in the end for the fast-food chain. The outbreak led to stronger government regulations of food handling.


I don't see too many Pork-meat deaths today.

Or yesterday.

Ironic that hand-washing is so vital (I will skip quoting the value of this amazing "advance", though Jewish people have been aware of it for a long time, as even the anti-Jewish Gospels show).

What is so bad about hand-washing anyway?

O yea, Mark 7 says so.


    
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Message 56 of 88 (847259)
01-20-2019 3:36 AM
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01-19-2019 6:43 PM


Re: What Would Jesus Declare In 2019?
candle2 writes:

Your only defense is to deny, deny, deny.

Well here it comes again. Our food is not contaminated.

Now, without quoting crap from you little book, demonstrate how my Sunday joint is not suitable for my consumption.

I am now used to evolutionists doing this.

I do not work in the biological sciences sector.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 57 of 88 (847261)
01-20-2019 6:45 AM
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NEWS The 1 "major violation" in food-born illness case: lack of hand washing
https://www.pe.com/...aumont-baby-shower-under-investigation

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Source of food-borne illness that sickened 38 at Beaumont baby shower is under investigation
Some of the food came from a Yucaipa restaurant, whose owner is defending his establishment as clean and safe.

By NIKIE JOHNSON | nijohnson@scng.com |
PUBLISHED: January 18, 2019 at 5:54 pm | UPDATED: January 18, 2019 at 7:22 pm

About three dozen people got sick after attending an event in Beaumont this month, including a 1-year-old who suffered seizures that night, and health officials are investigating what the source may have been and whether all of the symptoms are due to a food-borne illness.

The Fat Greek Restaurant in Yucaipa catered the event, which co-owner Chris Houvardas said was a baby shower. Houvardas insisted his food was not to blame, noting that people at the party brought their own food as well, and that there was a very sick child in attendance. On our side, they did everything the way theyre supposed to do, he said of his staff.

The baby shower took place Jan. 6, and health officials said about 70 people attended. That night and into the next morning, 38 of them became ill with symptoms from nausea and dizziness to diarrhea and vomiting, according to a report by San Bernardino Countys Division of Environmental Health Services that did not identify any of the people involved.

That agency has been investigating the restaurant, while the Disease Control Branch of Riverside Countys health department is interviewing the people who got sick because most of them live in Riverside County. The investigations have not been completed, but they could result in corrective action against the Fat Greek if any issues are found to have contributed to the outbreak, a spokeswoman said.

Several people were sick enough that they went to the emergency room or urgent care. Paramedics were called for the baby who was having seizures.

Whether the seizures were directly connected to the food-borne illness is unclear. Barbara Cole, head of disease control in Riverside County, didnt have information such as whether the child had a history of seizures, what the doctors findings had been or how the child is doing now.

I could not say a little one with a seizure was due to this outbreak, she said.

Like Houvardas, Cole also noted that some of the food eaten at the event was homemade, and said her agency is still evaluating what caused the illness.

A restaurant inspector visited the Fat Greek on Jan. 11 to begin a thorough investigation, including interviewing the operator about how food is prepared and examining equipment.

All of the food tested that day was within a safe temperature range, but the inspector did find that a produce refrigerator was 50 degrees at the bottom rack, which is not within the safe range. However, the operator told the inspector all of the ingredients that needed to be kept cold for the Jan. 6 catered event would have been in a different refrigerator that was working properly.

A graded inspection also was conducted Jan. 11, resulting in a score of 84, a B grade, which San Bernardino County considers generally acceptable. The one major violation was for an employee not washing hands before putting on gloves and making a salad; there also were 10 lesser violations. Online records that go back to 2014 show the restaurant has been inspected seven other times during those years and received all A grades.

Houvardas defended his restaurants practices.

I work my butt off to keep a clean place, he said. You could eat off the floor here.

He said all of the food he served that day came from the same supplier hes used for years and that supplies other area restaurants. He said employees nibbled on some of the food that was left over as they were breaking down the event, and none of them got sick. And no customers who ate the same dishes served at the restaurant over the weekend reported getting sick, he said.

The Fat Greek Restaurant has been in Yucaipa for 13 years, said Houvardas, who described his business as a family affair.

Our reputation, we really try to take care of it, he said.

Cole said her agency investigates one or two food-borne illness outbreaks per year; a recent investigation was into a wedding in San Timoteo Canyon in September where more than 30 people were sickened. However, she said its unusual for cases to involve so many patients.

Cole recommended frequent handwashing as a way to avoid getting sick. She also said that food doesnt taste or seem right, people should stop eating it. And if someone does get sick, they should contact a health care provider so they can be assessed.

The department also conducts outreach with medical professionals to make sure theyre aware of reporting requirements so outbreaks like this one can be discovered and investigated.

https://www.pe.com/...aumont-baby-shower-under-investigation


Here is a website that covers the known Rabbinical rules and laws in the sacred texts.

https://hekint.org/...es-derived-from-the-jewish-tradition-2

(the New Testament record, in Mark 7, involves an oral law tradition that didn't make the final cut when there was a collection and editing of the rules, and IT IS NOT COVERED on this link)

Here is just the first part of the page.

quote:

Public health measures derived from the Jewish tradition: II. Washing and cleaning

Tova Chein,
Mark Epelbaum,
Robert Stern
New York, New York, USA

Introduction
Historically, Jewish contributions to public health measures have not been given adequate attribution. The previous article in this series (Hektoen International, Winter 2016) documented the ancient Jewish recognition of the importance of:

isolation of individuals with an infectious disease (leprosy, and a more probable translation from the Hebrew, small pox), probably the first public health measure in recorded history
tuberculosis as an infectious disorder, transmitted to humans from tuberculous cows.


Biblical text is covered, then the Mishnah and Talmud.

My theory:

The Mark 7 text (which attacked hand washing) might have intimidated the Rabbinical community from including even stricter hand-washing rules in the final WRITTEN Mishnah.

I put "Ignaz Semmelweis WASHING HANDS BIBLICAL" into google, and some creationist Christians are actually attempting to claim that they are in a line of religious-folks that are (somehow) supporters of washing hands, but it goes 100% contrary to the theories of "candle2". He says that the Biblical Torah laws, around issues touching food and food preparation, are simply about human health, and he invokes the New Testament as a support for the laws.

The New Testament rejects the strict hand-washing, for sure. If the theory is that the New Testament writers were God-inspired to consider the food/food preparation laws as HEALTH ONLY ISSUES, then Christianity is falsified scientifically.

(If one considers the New Testament Gospel to be separating the rules considered morally important verses ritualistic, then it is another matter entirely)

Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.


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Re: What Would Jesus Declare In 2019?
candle2 writes:

Your only defense is to deny, deny, deny. I am now used to evolutionists doing this.


if you're so full of answers, you have posts in this thread that you haven't responded to.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Re: What Would Jesus Declare In 2019?
I don't have time to read every post. And, it's not only the time, it one finger typing on this phone and using reading glasses for the first time.

However, I will get to every response, just have patience. I lead a busy life.

In any event, HeSheIt is ok, as long as you pronounce it He-cheez-its.


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Re: What Would Jesus Declare In 2019?
candle2 writes:

I don't have time to read every post. And, it's not only the time, it one finger typing on this phone and using reading glasses for the first time.


I'm on my phone too half of the time and I have to take off my glasses to see it.

I'm just saying, if you're going to claim to know something, you'd better be able to put up.


And our geese will blot out the sun.

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