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Author Topic:   Behe's Irreducible Complexity Is Refuted
JonF
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Message 39 of 223 (90343)
03-04-2004 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by John Paul
03-04-2004 3:42 PM


neither you nor any other person has shown that any evolutionary processes were responsible for the alleged evolution of the mammalian ear.
Indeed we have not. And we don't need to in order to refute Behe. IC is a claim that something cannot evolve; all that is necessary to refute that is to show that it could evolve, not that it did evolve.
If Behe had claimed that the ear did not evolve, that would be a different story; but that's not what he claimed (perhaps because then his argument-from-ignorance would be painfully obvious instead of slightly concealed).

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JonF
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Message 62 of 223 (90593)
03-05-2004 3:38 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by John Paul
03-05-2004 3:08 PM


Re: Dates
Dating arguments were put forth by someone (Cook) who found out that Pb from U decay is un-discernable from Pb that has always been Pb.
True, but irrelevant to radioisotope dating (and making that statement is evidence of a lack of knowledge of dating), and off-topic for this thread. Care to discuss it at Distinguishing Pb from Pb????

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Message 64 of 223 (90599)
03-05-2004 3:43 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Loudmouth
03-05-2004 3:26 PM


That this mutation was not and could not be predicited. If you can not predict something, it is a random event. If you think this is non-random, you must show how you could predict that precise mutation and the activity of the resulting enzyme in response to an environmental cue.
Of course, the classic and oft-repeated (in many different systems and manners) experiment that shows that mutations are random with respect to need is the Luria & Delbruck Fluctuation Test. It's been pretty solidly proven that mutations are random, not the result of some pre-programmed ability.

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