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Theodoric
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Message 33 of 146 (864642)
10-14-2019 9:03 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by Phat
10-13-2019 3:35 PM


Re: Lets Discuss Modern Apologists Here
Sam Harris is no different than an apologist. He is a conman. He pontificates on subjects he has no expertise in. He does not represent any atheists or atheist views other than himself and his own views. He promotes hate and division. He is a vile human being.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 48 of 146 (864753)
10-16-2019 8:34 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by Phat
10-16-2019 6:00 AM


Re: Source vs Content
Your god sounds like a right, real asshole. Needy, insecure narcissist(remind you of anyone?)

The thing that drives me crazy about fundies is that they claim all this super supernatural crap for their god. Omniscience, omnipresence, and omnipotence and then they shrink it down as this spiteful, vengeful toddler.
That you think you could understand or conceive of something so powerful is laughable. To explain all these inconsistencies, all of you just string impressive sounding words together.

Laughable.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 55 of 146 (864781)
10-16-2019 3:03 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Phat
10-16-2019 2:15 PM


Re: Source vs Content
I am curious as to why you decided that Christian belief was not worth your time.

I was raised nominally Catholic, but have never had an actual belief in the supernatural. As a child I may have but as I grew older I left behind childish beliefs. I never decided christian beleif was not worth my time.(Why do you always throw out strawman arguments? Is it because you have no actual arguments?
Or was it evidence by your friend Richard Carrier and others, such as Dawkins?

I don't know them at all. Another strawman?
You had a lot of spite for Ravi Zacharias disclosing that a woman tried to sue him and bribe him with explicit pictures.

Strawman alert. I have no spite for him. He is a charlatan and a serial ****. This is proven.

Yet look at the behavior of Carrier!And I don't see you as a hard atheist either. You allow that GOD might exist, in my opinion...simply by what you say.

Whatever. There is no evidence for a god and their is no evidence for the jesus of your bible. If there is a god being, it is beyond our ken to even conceive. So no I have no belief there is a god, of any sort. There is no such thing as supernatural. If there were there would be some sort of evidence.

Does that mean that something or someone so powerful is a possibility?

Irrelevant.
Does that not also mean that something so powerful would have to be the one to initiate communication with humans since humans are incapable of it being the other way around?

Evidently you have trouble understanding unable to conceive of something.

Maybe next time drop all the strawman arguments.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 76 of 146 (865029)
10-20-2019 10:13 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by Phat
10-20-2019 2:59 AM


Re: Source vs Content
Many people have given their lives for a multitude of stupid pointless reasons. It means nothing.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 106 of 146 (865186)
10-21-2019 5:06 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by Phat
10-21-2019 4:36 PM


Re: Source vs Content
Maybe she is right...in her own world.

Doesn't matter facts show she is wrong. Beliefs are not correct just because someone believes them. All beliefs are not equal.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 113 of 146 (865209)
10-21-2019 9:27 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by Faith
10-21-2019 6:44 PM


Re: Reality still says you are wrong!
but their "Mass" is not the Catholic Mass.

No shit, that would be because umm THEIR NOT CATHOLIC.

It would be really stupid for Lutherans to have a Catholic mass.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 129 of 146 (865268)
10-22-2019 11:22 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by Phat
10-22-2019 11:02 PM


Re: The Church History In Context
Not specifically.

Yes specifically. Where do you think Protestantism gets its name from?

quote:
Six princes of the Holy Roman Empire and rulers of fourteen Imperial Free Cities, who issued a protest (or dissent) against the edict of the Diet of Speyer (1529), were the first individuals to be called Protestants

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism#Protestant

Those are the facts. No revisionism allowed.

Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 135 of 146 (865313)
10-23-2019 7:39 AM
Reply to: Message 132 by Phat
10-22-2019 11:50 PM


Re: The Church History In Context
Protestantism all came from Catholicism. That is a fact
Not debatable because it is undeniable. I dont care if you think there is some "pure" church pre RCC. Protestantism is a reaction to perceived issues with Catholicism.
All Protestant churches are offshoots of Catholicism. Full stop
Any other claim is a denial of historical fact.
The rest of your post is irrelevant.

Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 136 of 146 (865314)
10-23-2019 7:43 AM
Reply to: Message 133 by Phat
10-22-2019 11:58 PM


Re: The Church History In Context
and the Richard Carrier loving Theodoric

Why the snide personal comments and attacks? Because you have no real argument? This is the behavior that I think should disqualify you as a moderator. We see this behavior a lot from you.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 139 of 146 (865323)
10-23-2019 11:33 AM
Reply to: Message 138 by jar
10-23-2019 10:33 AM


Re: The Church History In Context
Exactly. Phat and Faith seem to want to push the idea that Protestantism is some sort of pure pre-RCC manifestation. Protestantism exists because of the RCC. It started out as a political break and doctrinal arguments were used to justify it.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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From: Northwest, WI, USA
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Message 145 of 146 (865341)
10-23-2019 3:55 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by Faith
10-23-2019 1:17 PM


Re: The Church History In Context
You are putting up a strawman. The facts are all Protestant churches derived form Catholicism. They were not created from a vacuum.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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