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PaulK Member Posts: 16666 Joined: Member Rating: 3.9
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I’ve observed Protestant communion and Catholic mass. There’s no significant difference between them.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 187 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Then you are ignorant of a huge historical controversy.
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PaulK Member Posts: 16666 Joined: Member Rating: 3.9
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That’s an obvious example of moving the goalposts. If mass and communion are so different why isn’t there an observable difference?
Does it really come down to the doctrine of Transubstantiation? Because that’s just a belief derived from taking the Bible too literally.
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Tangle Member Posts: 8033 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.9 |
Exactly my point. It's an obscenity; a glorification of torture.
There's no confusion, you're just flat out, in your face wrong. Again. Mass is celebrated in Protestant and Anglican and Catholic etc etc churches all over the globe. Maybe with the exception of your loony tunes church. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 187 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I hadn't equated it with transubstantiation, I thought there was more of a ritual involved, but yes I suppose it is the same issue. That being the case, historically Protestants were willing to die rather than accept that Catholic definition, so it's not a trivial thing and you certainly can't say Protestants also practice Mass. there is no sacrificing of Christ over and over in Protestant churches, that is what is considered to be blasphemous, plus the definition of the communion elements as actual flesh and blood.
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PaulK Member Posts: 16666 Joined: Member Rating: 3.9 |
quote: It might be a bit more ritualistic but it is a ritual, whether you call it communion or mass. quote: People are willing to die over trivial things. And it seems that you aren’t aware of any significant differences.... quote: What exactly are you talking about? If you mean the symbolic eating of the bread and drinking the wine Protestants do so it. quote: That IS Transubstantiation. It’s also just a silly Catholic belief. Hardly something that justifies your claims.
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ringo Member Posts: 18854 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.5 |
Wikipedia can and does: quote:
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 187 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yeah, all Catholic offshoots, not Protestant. And not all of those denominations have anything they call "Mass." Every church I've ever been in calls Mass a heresy or blasphemy.
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Tangle Member Posts: 8033 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.9 |
Utter rubbish. Just blatantly wrong.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Phat Member Posts: 14840 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Maybe she is right...in her own world. After all, you claim that believers make it all up. How could we judge what any particular church makes up? The RCC, in my opinion, has no greater claim to legitimacy than any other church around.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
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jar Member Posts: 33096 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 3.8 |
Sorry Faith but once again as usual reality says you are wrong. The Anglican Communion and Lutherans and Methodists and the others are most definitely Protestants despite what your cult might believe.
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Phat Member Posts: 14840 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
The Jack Chick School Of Orthodoxy has their own definition of Catholic Bias.
Can ten million comic books be wrong? Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
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jar Member Posts: 33096 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 3.8 |
Yes, of course.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 187 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It was the Reformers themselves that rejected the Mass, not any particular denomination.
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PaulK Member Posts: 16666 Joined: Member Rating: 3.9
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Since you’ve just labelled the Lutheran’s a “Catholic offshoot” and “not Protestant” may we take it that you no longer consider Luther one of the Reformers ?
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