Ray Comfort on The Atheist Experience

I’ve observed Protestant communion and Catholic mass. There’s no significant difference between them.

Then you are ignorant of a huge historical controversy.

That’s an obvious example of moving the goalposts. If mass and communion are so different why isn’t there an observable difference?

Does it really come down to the doctrine of Transubstantiation? Because that’s just a belief derived from taking the Bible too literally.

Faith writes: Mass is a service in which Christ is sacrificed over and over,

Exactly my point. It's an obscenity; a glorification of torture.

I don't know why there is any confusion about this at all because it's historically the case that Mass is a Catholic practice rejected by Protestants. Communion in the Protestant churches is not Mass.

There's no confusion, you're just flat out, in your face wrong. Again. Mass is celebrated in Protestant and Anglican and Catholic etc etc churches all over the globe.

Maybe with the exception of your loony tunes church.

I hadn't equated it with transubstantiation, I thought there was more of a ritual involved, but yes I suppose it is the same issue. That being the case, historically Protestants were willing to die rather than accept that Catholic definition, so it's not a trivial thing and you certainly can't say Protestants also practice Mass. there is no sacrificing of Christ over and over in Protestant churches, that is what is considered to be blasphemous, plus the definition of the communion elements as actual flesh and blood.

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I hadn't equated it with transubstantiation, I thought there was more of a ritual involved, but yes I suppose it is the same issue.

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It might be a bit more ritualistic but it is a ritual, whether you call it communion or mass.

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That being the case, historically Protestants were willing to die rather than accept that Catholic definition, so it's not a trivial thing and you certainly can't say Protestants also practice Mass.

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People are willing to die over trivial things. And it seems that you aren’t aware of any significant differences....

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.... there is no sacrificing of Christ over and over in Protestant churches, that is what is considered to be blasphemous,

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What exactly are you talking about? If you mean the symbolic eating of the bread and drinking the wine Protestants do so it.

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... plus the definition of the communion elements as actual flesh and blood.

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That IS Transubstantiation. It’s also just a silly Catholic belief. Hardly something that justifies your claims.

Faith writes: ... you certainly can't say Protestants also practice Mass.

Wikipedia can and does:

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Mass is the main eucharistic liturgical service in many forms of Western Christianity. The term Mass is commonly used in the Roman Catholic[1] and Anglican churches,[2] as well as in some Lutheran,[3] Methodist,[4][5] Western Rite Orthodox, and Old Catholic churches.

Other Christian denominations may employ terms such as Divine Service or worship service (and often just "service"), rather than the word Mass.[6] link

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Yeah, all Catholic offshoots, not Protestant. And not all of those denominations have anything they call "Mass." Every church I've ever been in calls Mass a heresy or blasphemy.

Utter rubbish. Just blatantly wrong.

Maybe she is right...in her own world. After all, you claim that believers make it all up. How could we judge what any particular church makes up? The RCC, in my opinion, has no greater claim to legitimacy than any other church around.

Faith writes: Yeah, all Catholic offshoots, not Protestant.

Sorry Faith but once again as usual reality says you are wrong. The Anglican Communion and Lutherans and Methodists and the others are most definitely Protestants despite what your cult might believe.

The Jack Chick School Of Orthodoxy has their own definition of Catholic Bias.

Can ten million comic books be wrong?

Yes, of course.

It was the Reformers themselves that rejected the Mass, not any particular denomination.

Since you’ve just labelled the Lutheran’s a “Catholic offshoot” and “not Protestant” may we take it that you no longer consider Luther one of the Reformers ?