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Theodoric
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Message 106 of 146 (865186)
10-21-2019 5:06 PM
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10-21-2019 4:36 PM


Re: Source vs Content
Maybe she is right...in her own world.

Doesn't matter facts show she is wrong. Beliefs are not correct just because someone believes them. All beliefs are not equal.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 107 of 146 (865187)
10-21-2019 5:13 PM
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10-21-2019 4:57 PM


Reality still says you are wrong!
Yet the fact remains that several major Protestant denominations include a Mass as a major sacrament.

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Message 108 of 146 (865191)
10-21-2019 5:22 PM


The Higgs
A Higgs boson inadvertently ventures into a church. Noticing the error it turns to walk out when a voice shouts from the alter, "Wait! Don't go! We can't have mass without you!"


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Faith
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Message 109 of 146 (865194)
10-21-2019 5:27 PM
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10-21-2019 5:13 PM


Re: Reality still says you are wrong!
OK I didn't know they used the term "Mass, " but Luther rejected the idea of transubstantiation for consubstantiation so it isn't the same thing, and the vast majority of Protestant churches do not use the term "Mass.".

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Message 110 of 146 (865195)
10-21-2019 5:42 PM
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10-21-2019 5:22 PM


Re: The Higgs
OK you forced me to look up "Higgs boson." I'll never be able to grasp this stuff but this probably comes as close as anything ever will to making sense to me.

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Message 111 of 146 (865204)
10-21-2019 6:42 PM
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10-21-2019 5:27 PM


Re: Reality still says you are wrong!
The fact remains that Anglicans and Lutherans and many Methodists all celebrate Mass and they along with the others mentioned are Protestant denominations.

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Message 112 of 146 (865205)
10-21-2019 6:44 PM
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10-21-2019 6:42 PM


Re: Reality still says you are wrong!
Sure, you can play with words and confuse things, but their "Mass" is not the Catholic Mass. Just as your "Christianity" is not the real Christianity.

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Message 113 of 146 (865209)
10-21-2019 9:27 PM
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10-21-2019 6:44 PM


Re: Reality still says you are wrong!
but their "Mass" is not the Catholic Mass.

No shit, that would be because umm THEIR NOT CATHOLIC.

It would be really stupid for Lutherans to have a Catholic mass.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 114 of 146 (865214)
10-21-2019 11:40 PM
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10-21-2019 9:27 PM


Differences between Protestant and Catholic Mass
The point, dear dear Theodoric, is that the word "Mass" usually refers to the Catholic Mass, and I hadn'e known before that some Protestant churches also use that term, but since they do it has to be said that it is not the same "Mass" that the Reformers objected to. That is, it is misleading to say that Protestant churches ALSO have the Mass because it is not the same Mass.

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Message 115 of 146 (865216)
10-22-2019 12:15 AM
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10-21-2019 11:40 PM


Re: Reality still says you are wrong!
The main differences all seem to be doctrinal. Ideas about mass/communion. Not the sacrament itself.

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Message 116 of 146 (865218)
10-22-2019 12:40 AM
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10-22-2019 12:15 AM


Differences between Protestant vs Catholic Mass
Yes it's doctrinal. Or it's AT LEAST doctrinal since I don't know about other likely differences in how the service is conducted.

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Message 117 of 146 (865219)
10-22-2019 12:47 AM
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10-22-2019 12:40 AM


Re: Reality still says you are wrong!
As I said I’ve observed both and there are no major differences. The big differences - including the bit about “Jesus being sacrificed over and over again” are just ideas about what it means. (And I will point out that I had to research that myself because you wouldn’t or couldn’t explain it)

So there is no real objection to the Catholic mass as such. The objection is to Catholic ideas about it.


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Faith
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Message 118 of 146 (865220)
10-22-2019 12:59 AM
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Re: Reality still says you are wrong!
Yes, for you that is apparently trivial, but for Christians doctrine is of utmost importance. Catholic doctrine also condemnzs the Protestant doctrine of salvation by faith alone, among a long iist of other anathemas against Protestantism. This is doctrine, it's all-important.

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Message 119 of 146 (865221)
10-22-2019 1:15 AM
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10-22-2019 12:59 AM


Re: Reality still says you are wrong!
It’s a matter of truth. If you say that you object to the Catholic mass when you mean that you object to Catholic ideas about mass you are not telling the truth.
and I would say that the difference between Transubstantiation and Consubstantiation is trivial. And from a truly Christian perspective it would be, too.

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Message 120 of 146 (865222)
10-22-2019 1:29 AM
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10-22-2019 1:15 AM


Protestant Mass is not Catholic Mass, get it straight
What am I "wrong" about? You think you can rewrite history or what? I'm simply trying to get across the position of the Protestant Reformation. Maybe I'm not doing the best job of that but you certainly cannot rewrite what the Reformation actually said and churches that follow the Reformers believe and do. What's your point? It's silly.

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