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Phage0070 Inactive Member
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hooah212002 writes: Individuals will be able to get their pre-emptive care in a regular facility instead of flooding the emergency room because they or their children are sick and they have no insurance because they can't afford it. I don't believe you. There are some people out there who truly can't afford healthcare insurance but you are not one of them. I am assuming you had a computer to post from at the time, even if it was terrible. You probably had a car, and I assume you were wearing one of several sets of clothing that you own. You probably also didn't live in the least expensive place or manner possible. In other words, you *could* afford healthcare insurance except you made a cost-benefit comparison and determined that it was just too expensive to be "worth it". You would have to give up too many other things to afford the cost, so you chose not to. Instead you think that you should be able to use a public service paid for in great part by taxpayers as a substitute; you want those insurance premiums that you dubbed "too expensive" to be paid for by other people who don't have a choice in the matter. The ER doctor was perfectly correct: he/she wasn't your damn pediatrician. You should have bought health insurance and you chose not to, and you didn't want to pay the doctor's bills out of your own pocket (which some people can). Before you start to whine about how "children *deserve*" whatever you will have to explain why you chose not to provide your child with proper medical care. That's really what it comes down to; your child had a need for medical care and you didn't provide for that need. You knew you couldn't afford the potential lump bill, but you didn't even set aside a smaller amount of funds in preparation. You completely ignored the problem in favor of sticking your hand in other people's pockets and you have the fucking gall to complain when an ER doctor calls you on the behavior. *That* is what is disgusting.
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Phage0070 Inactive Member
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hooah212002 writes: Because I'm not a taxpayer, right? That isn't the service which your taxes pay for. If they did, guess what? You "wouldn't be able to afford it". And why exactly did you have 2 car payments? Why didn't you carpool together?
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Phage0070 Inactive Member
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crashfrog writes: ...the mean family plan premium in the US is around $1200. OK? There are less expensive plans out there that have lesser coverage. Pointing out that I can't afford the cost of an average airplane doesn't mean I can't afford *any* airplane. Companies offer plans based on what the market desires, not some sort of arcane formula which will force the companies into offering products nobody can buy. If the average monthly payment for family health insurance is $1200 then apparently that is what the average family can and does pay. Furthermore, you pointed out that renting a decent apartment at $700 a month was apparently worth more than obtaining health insurance. You could perhaps find a tiny terrible apartment at maybe $300 a month (a single room rat-trap probably) and not have to worry about your child dying to the flu. But no, a choice was made there.
crashfrog writes: You completely ignored the problem in favor of sticking your hand in other people's pockets What do you think insurance is, stupid? Insurance is pooling a steady stream of income to offset a risk which can be mitigated by financial aid. Those who contribute are eligible to draw from the pooled funds should some relatively rare event occur. The entire system depends on most contributors not using as much money as they pay in, but rather offsetting the risk of a possible payment they wouldn't be able to cover on their own. It isn't just sticking your hand into other people's pockets without contributing yourself. Crashfrog, you fucking moron.
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Phage0070 Inactive Member
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Jon writes: Yup, this is the Republican position alright: folk who want to be healthy should have to give up everything else they own (bankrupt themselves) in order to afford the care. So do you think its going to become magically less expensive if the government forces people to pay for it, or do you not realize that people who can't afford to buy health insurance now aren't going to be able to afford paying taxes which substitute for health insurance? Or are you still just pitching the idea that other people should be forced to pay to keep you healthy?
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Phage0070 Inactive Member
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Taq writes: Replace "insurance premiums" with "school tuition" and you have the public school system. Do you consider the public school system to be "disgusting"? Everyone contributes to the public school system and is eligible for the rewards of public education. On the other hand, most people pay for their own private health insurance and are not eligible to get equivalent care from the ER because that isn't what the ER is supposed to be doing. A more appropriate analogy involving the school system would be someone demanding a college degree for free, because they "can't afford" to pay college tuition like everyone else.
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Phage0070 Inactive Member
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Jon writes: Or are you still just pitching the idea that other people should be forced to pay to keep you healthy? Public health is a public good. I would agree, so buy some fucking insurance. Any way you cut it you are not carrying your weight.
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Phage0070 Inactive Member
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jar writes: All First World Nations' health care is paid for primarily through taxes and yes, their citizens can afford it. If you had been paying any attention you would see that was my point from the start: He *could* afford healthcare insurance he just didn't want to. He had to give up too many other things to make the payments so he chose to try to misuse a public service and was rightly scolded by a professional at the ER.
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Phage0070 Inactive Member
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jar writes: If you read what I posted, it was criticizing your fallacious remark that a single payer system paid through taxes would be beyond what he could afford. This seems reasonable, given that he could afford it before but claimed otherwise. *IF* he truly wasn't able to afford healthcare before then getting it from him through taxes wouldn't solve the issue. He would be a burden on other taxpayers. Now you might want to argue that people unable to afford healthcare should be cared for by placing their financial burden on others, but again I maintain that he wasn't one of those people. He could afford healthcare but chose not to. If taxation to fulfill healthcare desires was enacted he would be rendered unacceptably poor which he seems to translate into "can't afford". Therefore in his own bizarre terminology he "couldn't afford" such a system.
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Phage0070 Inactive Member |
hooah212002 writes: And I said: how the fuck do you know what I can afford? Just because YOU can afford it doesn't mean everyone else can. Even if I grant that you seriously couldn't afford healthcare, you still have to make the case that you deserve something you can't afford. Why did you have children if you couldn't afford to keep them healthy? Maybe you could feed, clothe, and house them but you claim that you cannot fully afford the cost. You overextended yourself financially and for some reason expect other more fiscally prudent people to shoulder your self-inflicted burdens. Make your case for why they should, and make it a damn good one.
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Phage0070 Inactive Member |
hooah212002 writes: If you can't get a decent job: fuck you. I got mines, you get yours, fuck you. Welcome to a reality of limited resources. I'm sorry you never grew up, your are going to have some painful realizations.
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