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Topic: The Movie Paranormal Activity
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1.61803
Member (Idle past 1526 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: 02-19-2004
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Message 48 of 285 (612406)
04-15-2011 10:32 AM
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Reply to: Message 37 by slevesque
04-12-2011 8:56 AM
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wheres the evidence?
Hi Slevesque, slevesque writes: Personnally, I define supernatural as something that is ''outside of nature, and/or not subject to the laws of nature''. This definition does not exclude that the paranormal can interact inside nature, but they nonetheless would not seemed constrained by it. So do you believe such a thing as this exist? Something that can violate the laws of physics and still interact with nature and leave no physical evidence?
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1.61803
Member (Idle past 1526 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: 02-19-2004
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Message 79 of 285 (612957)
04-20-2011 1:55 PM
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I feel that the folder labled "supernatrual" is a sub folder for the folder labled "unknown"
in other words there is no contradiction.
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1.61803
Member (Idle past 1526 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: 02-19-2004
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Message 81 of 285 (612973)
04-20-2011 5:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 80 by xongsmith
04-20-2011 4:59 PM
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Well if there is a folder that contains all the "unknowns"the supernatural being a unevidenced claim should be in there. IMO
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1.61803
Member (Idle past 1526 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: 02-19-2004
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Message 96 of 285 (613042)
04-21-2011 11:24 AM
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Reply to: Message 84 by Straggler
04-21-2011 7:44 AM
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Re: Evidencing The Supernatural
If the thing labled supernatural is evidenced and ceases to be a mystery and fully understood and verified by the scientific community; then by all means let's put it in the known folder.
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1.61803
Member (Idle past 1526 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: 02-19-2004
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Message 120 of 285 (613186)
04-22-2011 12:12 PM
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Reply to: Message 101 by Straggler
04-21-2011 12:08 PM
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Re: Evidencing The Supernatural
Hi Stragger, Strag writes: Why can't it be both known to exist and supernatural? Well as far as I know, anything that violates the laws of physics is not known to exist. Hence it goes into the unknown folder. If you are aware of such a thing please post a link so we can all be privy to this as well.
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1.61803
Member (Idle past 1526 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: 02-19-2004
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Message 130 of 285 (613438)
04-25-2011 11:07 AM
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Reply to: Message 123 by Straggler
04-24-2011 10:42 PM
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Re: Evidencing the un-evidencable
Strag writes: The fact that there is no evidence of something does not mean that it is by definition impossible for it to be evidenced. Obviously. The fact that there is no evidence of something means by definition it is simply unevidenced. And goes into the unknown folder. Strag writes: Is Thor supernatural?
Yes, in the context of literature and mythology, he is routinely violating the laws of physics with no known scientific explanation. Do I believe Thor is truly a Norse god responsible for thunder? No.
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1.61803
Member (Idle past 1526 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: 02-19-2004
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Message 139 of 285 (613592)
04-26-2011 10:52 AM
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Reply to: Message 133 by Straggler
04-26-2011 6:00 AM
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Re: Evidencing made up crap.
Strag writes: Except that we all know you are not going to apply this consistently. If I ask you if there is any evidence for the existence of rotund purple spotted immaterial and empirically undetectable toilet goblins I suspect you will agree that there is not. But would you put these in the "unknown folder"? No I'd say your making shit up.
Strag writes: If we are going to pursue this ridiculous folder categorisation then surely they would go in the "supernatural folder" whilst also being very strong candidates for the "human invention folder". Both of which could arguably come under the "known folder".... No, I'd say let us put them in the "Straggler's made up shit folder.
Strag writes: So if positive evidence for the existence of Thor were to emerge it would "by definition" be positive evidence of the supernatural concept we call Thor actually existing. How could it be otherwise? Except there is no positive evidence for the existence of Thor outside of literature. I get the impression you are conflating made up nonsense with the word supernatural. It does make sense such a ardent empiricist atheist such as yourself would not make any distinction from some crap you pulled out of your arse and things your fellow humans have described as supernatural. Since to you it is all made up crap. Now if you can just get the rest of the world to agree and redefine the word supernatural to equal "made up crap." Hence forth when ever Stragglers uses the word "supernatural" it will actually mean "made up crap." Then there will be no misunderstandings eh? Edited by 1.61803, : spelling the word. Then
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1.61803
Member (Idle past 1526 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: 02-19-2004
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Message 144 of 285 (613607)
04-26-2011 11:34 AM
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Reply to: Message 140 by Straggler
04-26-2011 11:11 AM
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Re: Evidencing made up crap.
Young Jedi Staggler writes: You misconstrue my motivations.
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1.61803
Member (Idle past 1526 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: 02-19-2004
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Message 161 of 285 (613786)
04-27-2011 10:54 AM
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Reply to: Message 148 by Straggler
04-26-2011 5:47 PM
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Re: Supernatural
Fictional supernatural beings are supernatural only in the sense that the author has bestowed such powers to them. A unexplained, unverified ghost visitation is supernatural in the sense that it violates the laws of physics and leaves no evidence. So you see we can have both fictional and reality based concepts of what is supernatural. I did not start the "folder" thing. The latter is unexplained, the former is known to us as fiction. Does this seem reasonable?
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1.61803
Member (Idle past 1526 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: 02-19-2004
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Message 199 of 285 (614343)
05-03-2011 5:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 191 by jar
05-03-2011 1:55 PM
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bah Humbug
Jar writes: I can imagine myself experiencing something like that but absolutely no way to tell if it was just hallucination, a bad burrito or anything else. "Theres more gravy than the grave about you..."Scrooge  Edited by 1.61803, : Add Scrooge
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