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jar
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Message 3 of 142 (613285)
04-24-2011 1:30 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by slevesque
04-24-2011 1:22 PM


slevesque writes:
Second, is it not, by itself, dishonest to read a book with the sole intention of ''debunking'' it; ie having come to a conclusion to what it is going to say even before reading it.
Would that not depend on the subject?

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Message 6 of 142 (613290)
04-24-2011 2:05 PM
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04-24-2011 1:58 PM


slevesque writes:
Would that not depend on the subject?
I would not think so.
I understand that you can't read a book without bias, and I can understand an evolutionist reading a book with a bias against what it is going to say. This is normal and not dishonest, especially if the intention is simply to better understand those with whom you disagree
However, reading it specifically to debunk it and show where it is wrong, even before opening a single page, and certainly NOT to just understand what creationist actually think, comes by as dishonest to me. (just think of how you would view a creationist reading an evolutionists book with this attitude)
But some assertions are simply factually wrong. A good example is any and all Creationist books.
I can see reading it to try to understand how the people could be so wrong but what reasons beyond that and just plain giggles could there be?
I would encourage a Creationist to read an Evolution book with the hope of debunking it because that is how people leave Creationism. They find that they simply cannot debunk Evolution, or Old Earth.

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Message 12 of 142 (613302)
04-24-2011 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by slevesque
04-24-2011 2:42 PM


debunk at will
slevesque writes:
And once again, if we take an example from another context, if I, as a scientists, would review scientific papers with the intention of debunking it even before reading it ? Why would it be dishonest in that case, but not in the other ?
Of course that would not be dishonest, and in fact it is the mandate to debunk every scientific paper.
The very basis of science is to debunk, to over turn, to falsify what is presented. It is on;y through that process that we determine what is most likely correct.

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Message 24 of 142 (613322)
04-24-2011 6:26 PM
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04-24-2011 6:20 PM


slevesque writes:
We're talking in general here, not this particular case of ''the answers book.''
What if you were about to read ''genetic entropy'' by Dr. Sanford ? Would it be dishonest to read it with the sole intention of debunking it ? Even considering he has made a great career in genetics, has believed in the theory of evolution for the majority of his career and just recently realized that YEC was true ?
His particular case is interesting, since he fits nowhere in the ''either ignorant, stupid or insane'' false dichotomy.
Absolutely not. YEC is demonstrably and completely shown to be false.
The existence of even a single example of a uranium halo shows that YEC is just nonsense.

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Message 26 of 142 (613327)
04-24-2011 6:49 PM
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04-24-2011 6:38 PM


cavediver writes:
His particular case is interesting, since he fits nowhere in the ''either ignorant, stupid or insane'' false dichotomy.
I disagree - in all seriousness, it means he fits all three to greater and lesser degrees.
I would add two others, willfully ignorant and dishonest as possibilities.
There's gold in them thar creationists.

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Message 128 of 142 (613658)
04-26-2011 3:10 PM
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04-26-2011 2:19 PM


You can reply in one message but place links back to the post you are replying to in each instance. Use the mid function to do that easily.

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