Film: Creation (2009)

Why the qualification "and also believe in evolution"? The fact that nature can be quite nasty remains a fact even if one doesn't believe in evolution.You mention, for example, Tennyson's line about "nature red in tooth and claw". But he wrote this before Darwin published the Origin of Species. That observation doesn't require the theory of evolution to underpin it, it's true anyway.

Yes ... but I still maintain that the design is equally wasteful (not to mention cruel) if one adheres to fiat creationism. The Malthusian pressures remain, as does the fact of extinction; as does the redness in tooth and claw. At least if there is evolution these cruel and wasteful processes achieve something; if there is no evolution the flaws of nature are entirely gratuitous. This is true; but a Cuvierian catastrophist could also have concluded that nature was not "careful of the type". What with all the extinct types.And indeed nowadays although we tend to agree with Lyell about sedimentary deposition we take a more catastrophic view of extinction; but this does not stop us from thinking that it's a wasteful process.