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kjsimons
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Message 16 of 98 (614189)
05-02-2011 3:44 PM
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05-02-2011 3:39 PM


Re: Grrrr @ the polarising nature of this issue
The best that I think we can hope for is that this causes a splintering of al Qaeda into smaller and less capable factions due to the power vacuum left by his death and the different agendas of the various groups that make it up and the egos of their various leaders.

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jar
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Message 17 of 98 (614190)
05-02-2011 3:46 PM
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05-02-2011 3:44 PM


Re: Grrrr @ the polarising nature of this issue
kjsimons writes:
The best that I think we can hope for is that this causes a splintering of al Qaeda into smaller and less capable factions due to the power vacuum left by his death and the different agendas of the various groups that make it up and the egos of their various leaders.
However that would likely make any terrorist attacks smaller and more localized but also far harder to discover early and prevent.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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ringo
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Message 18 of 98 (614191)
05-02-2011 3:46 PM
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05-02-2011 3:31 PM


Re: Grrrr @ the polarising nature of this issue
kjsimons writes:
Blaming an individual for an event only made possible by the work and direction of tens of thousands is a bit of a cheap shot.
Bingo.

If you have nothing to say, you could have done so much more concisely. -- Dr Adequate

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Briterican
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Message 19 of 98 (614192)
05-02-2011 3:50 PM


Let's not stoop to their level
"USA! USA!" is the wrong response | Salon.com
"When we lose the sadness part -- when all we do is happily scream "USA! USA! USA! at news of yet more killing in a now unending back-and-forth war -- it’s a sign we may be inadvertently letting the monsters win."

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 20 of 98 (614195)
05-02-2011 3:55 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by frako
05-02-2011 6:42 AM


There was a conspiracy theory floating around that bin laden is only an invention that he does not truly exist. Never gave that theory a second thought until today
Supposing for a minute that the image of the man associated with Osama was in fact an invention of the US, one has to consider that this person was in hiding for over a decade. Remember, bin Laden only became a household name AFTER 9/11. This man is ALSO responsible for the original WTC attack as well as several other attacks against US assets.
So if Osama was not real, then who is the real guy he is portraying on various media clips? Whether it was Osama or a guy posing as Osama, SOMEONE had to be in hiding. Now, honestly, what Arab has the dedication to remain in hiding playing a game of pretend for almost 20 years?
Secondly, if Osama and Al Qaeda are really just a giant false flag conspiracy, then who in the hell have we been actually fighting with for a decade now? I suppose that's all fake footage filmed in Roswell, NM....
when all they gave us again was a picture of a shot osama and told us they dropped his body in to the ocean. It is a kind of strange thing to do
Not strange at all if you consider why. The US did not want to hand over his body. But Islamic culture demands that a body be buried within 24 hours of death with no embalming solution. The only other acceptable way is a burial at sea. But according to several high profile Imams, they're pissed about that too.
Cry me a river.
the us had no right to bury his body the bin laden family does
Maybe the US felt that he had no right to slay nearly 3,000 people over the course of 2 decades.
thirdly it took hours for the past president to announce that they caught the other guy from Iraq, DNA testing dental comparison
The US would have preferred taking him alive, but he and his body guards resisted in a 40 minute gun battle. He wasn't walking out of there alive. That was his own choice. We also don't know all the details yet. I'm sure they took DNA samples among other things that are reasonably going to be classified, just like the 2 week mock mansion they built in preparation of the actual operation.
The guy has been dead just around 24 hours now. Give it a little more time before you start crying conspiracy.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 21 of 98 (614196)
05-02-2011 4:01 PM
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05-02-2011 10:19 AM


Re: So what does it mean?
The US media and the government are milking the publicity in the hope of winning a propaganda battle. Realistically, it means very little from a strategic perspective. Our foreign policy objectives have angered more people than they have appeased, and if anything, Bin Laden will be seen as a martyr on the other side. For all we know, he simply gave up and was waiting for the inevitable.
I completely agree. Al Qaeda was operating without his day to day leadership. They are autonomous and this only appeases those who sought retribution as some kind of closure for 9/11. Nothing is really changed.
If you seriously want that kind of foreign policy change, vote for Ron Paul. It should be bleedingly obvious at this point that Obama is the status quo, not "change we can believe in."

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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kjsimons
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Message 22 of 98 (614197)
05-02-2011 4:02 PM
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05-02-2011 3:46 PM


Re: Grrrr @ the polarising nature of this issue
Bingo.
Tibbets wasn't the leader like Osama was, it's not a valid comparison.

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ringo
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Message 23 of 98 (614198)
05-02-2011 4:09 PM
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05-02-2011 4:02 PM


Re: Grrrr @ the polarising nature of this issue
kjsimons writes:
Tibbets wasn't the leader like Osama was, it's not a valid comparison.
"I was only following orders," is not a valid excuse. My point is that bin Laden was just another enemy. There's no need to embellish how evil he was.

If you have nothing to say, you could have done so much more concisely. -- Dr Adequate

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Rahvin
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Message 24 of 98 (614199)
05-02-2011 4:11 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Hyroglyphx
05-02-2011 4:01 PM


Re: So what does it mean?
If you seriously want that kind of foreign policy change, vote for Ron Paul.
Ron Paul is a libertarian Randroid. The staus quo would be better. Hell, Bush again would be better.
All improvements are changes, but not all changes are improvements.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 25 of 98 (614202)
05-02-2011 4:19 PM
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05-02-2011 4:11 PM


Re: So what does it mean?
Rahvin writes:
If you seriously want that kind of foreign policy change, vote for Ron Paul.
Ron Paul is a libertarian Randroid. The staus quo would be better. Hell, Bush again would be better.
All improvements are changes, but not all changes are improvements.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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jar
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Message 26 of 98 (614204)
05-02-2011 5:23 PM


The amazing thing was seeing that many Americans ...
The amazing thing was seeing that many Americans are really little different than the folk supporting Al Qaeda in the streets of Pakistan, Iran, Lybia, Palestine, Syria or Afghanistan; simply an ignorant jingoistic rabble.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

  
fearandloathing
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Message 27 of 98 (614206)
05-02-2011 5:36 PM


College Kids
I live near Elon University and find it ludicrous how these same kids who are anti-war...ect are out getting drunk as hell celebrating his death. Truth be told I feel for many it is just an excuse to act like a dumb-ass.

"I hate to advocate the use of drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson
Ad astra per aspera

  
Hyroglyphx
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Message 28 of 98 (614210)
05-02-2011 5:51 PM
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05-02-2011 4:11 PM


Re: So what does it mean?
Page not found - LewRockwell.com

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Rahvin
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Message 29 of 98 (614217)
05-02-2011 7:44 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Hyroglyphx
05-02-2011 5:51 PM


Re: So what does it mean?
What the fuck ever. Paul is a fucking crank, his economic policies would drive the country into the ground.
I don;t have to support Obama to know that a vote for Paul is a vote for Ayn Rand.
I wont defend Obama against criticisms for drone warfare - I believe I commented in this very thread that I was happy that the Osama attack was done with Seals for the very fucking reason that no bystanders were hurt in a missile explosion. Obama's not the second fucking coming, and I've been disappointed by him around every corner - universal healthcare is a halfassed overcomplicated abortion set up to continue the failed experiment of private healthcare, and it's "better" than what we had before only in a few of the details - just as one example. Iraq and Afghanistan would be other examples - I don't approve of Obama there either.
But Ron motherfucking Paul?
I'd rather be disappointed in Obama, and voice my disapproval when I think he fucks up, than ever vote for an idiot who thinks Ayn Rand was so fucking smart he named his son after her! He thinks we should go back to the fucking gold standard for fucks sake! He wants to ABOLISH THE INCOME TAX!
You can find positions he has that I'll agree with, sure - you can do that with any politician. But I could never vote for a Randroid.

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DevilsAdvocate
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Message 30 of 98 (614219)
05-02-2011 8:06 PM


Though I am not an Obamite I think President Obama said it very succinctly and appropiately ‘And tonight, let us think back to the sense of unity that prevailed on 9/11. I know that it has, at times, frayed. Yet today’s achievement is a testament to the greatness of our country and the determination of the American people.’
Why can we not congragulate the men and women in our government and the military on a job well for taking out the most notorious mastermind of terrorism in todays modern world, and leave it at that.
Stop using this victory for your own political tirades.
This should be a time of unity for America, not divisiveness. Let's not bring politics and political rhetoric into this great day of justice and freedom. Remember this is a victory not just for America but for literally millions around the world living in fear and tyranny.
Winston Churchill writes:
Civilization will not last, freedom will not survive, peace will not be kept, unless a very large majority of mankind unite together to defend them and show themselves possessed of a constabulary power before which barbaric and atavistic forces will
Ronald Reagan writes:
We in America have learned bitter lessons from two world wars: It is better to be here [in Europe] ready to protect the peace, than to take blind shelter across the sea, rushing to respond only after freedom is lost. We've learned that isolationism never was and never will be an acceptable response to tyrannical governments with an expansionist intent.
Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.

"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

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