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Dr Adequate
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Message 31 of 98 (614222)
05-02-2011 8:50 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Briterican
05-02-2011 3:50 PM


I am glad that Osama's murderin' days are over; if this be an offense, I shall not compound it with hypocrisy.

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Message 32 of 98 (614224)
05-02-2011 9:23 PM
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05-02-2011 7:44 PM


Re: So what does it mean?
What the fuck ever. Paul is a fucking crank, his economic policies would drive the country into the ground.
Oh, yes, because CLEARLY the status quo has been doing a bang up job all these years in avoiding just that!!!
I don't want to derail this thread anymore than it has been already. If you'd like to rant about Ron Paul elsewhere, I'll happily follow you in a new thread.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Message 33 of 98 (614228)
05-02-2011 10:09 PM
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05-02-2011 8:50 PM


I've been giddy all day. And no, I don't expect it to make much difference to anything in the world at large, but that's not the point.

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Bailey
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Message 34 of 98 (614232)
05-02-2011 10:17 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by DevilsAdvocate
05-02-2011 8:06 PM


Regarding Rhetoric, Emotions, Irony and Healing
DevilsAdvocate writes:
Though I am not an Obamite I think President Obama said it very succinctly and appropiately ‘And tonight, let us think back to the sense of unity that prevailed on 9/11. I know that it has, at times, frayed. Yet today’s achievement is a testament to the greatness of our country and the determination of the American people.’
How is OBL's murder a testament to the greatness of the USA? Or was that rhetorical?
I mean, Jack Bauer does that type of sheeit every 24TM hours
DevilsAdvocate writes:
Why can we not congragulate the men and women in our government and the military on a job well for taking out the most notorious mastermind of terrorism in todays modern world, and leave it at that.
Yes, for one day ..
Let us pretend all those wars aren't actually taking place, the PotUSA is not a politician, OBL & gang have no political affiliations and these events have no impact in modern political affairs.
This should be a time of unity for America, not divisiveness.
It seems these subjects can oft be very emotionally charged for many people and with our natural tendency as humans to let our emotions run wild at times and all, there's a sense some emotions are better suited for uniting, while others may serve better for dividing.
Perhaps if murder and terrorism, state funded or otherwise, may quicker breed division, then the loss of the beloved may not cause unity to tarry too long.
Let's not bring politics and political rhetoric into this great day of justice and freedom.
Like you begin to do below?
Honestly, who feels a heightened sense of freedom?
Remember this is a victory not just for America but for literally millions around the world living in fear and tyranny.
Please DA, don't pay any mind to the sarcasm as it's only meant in jest. I think we may agree that hopefully as many as can may release the bitterness and hatred that they've stocked in this man's image, and in doing so, heal.
DevilsAdvocate writes:
Stop using this victory for your own political tirades ..
Winston Churchill writes:
Civilization will not last, freedom will not survive, peace will not be kept, unless a very large majority of mankind unite together to defend them and show themselves possessed of a constabulary power before which barbaric and atavistic forces will
Ronald Reagan writes:
We in America have learned bitter lessons from two world wars: It is better to be here [in Europe] ready to protect the peace, than to take blind shelter across the sea, rushing to respond only after freedom is lost. We've learned that isolationism never was and never will be an acceptable response to tyrannical governments with an expansionist intent.
Perhaps the irony of our posts often speak largely for themselves ..

I'm not here to mock or condemn what you believe, tho my intentions are no less than to tickle your thinker.
If those in first century CE had known what these words mean ... 'I want and desire mercy, not sacrifice'
They surely would not have murdered the innocent; why trust what I say, when you can learn for yourself?
Think for yourself.
Mercy Trumps Judgement,
Love Weary

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DevilsAdvocate
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Message 35 of 98 (614250)
05-03-2011 4:33 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by Bailey
05-02-2011 10:17 PM


Re: Regarding Rhetoric, Emotions, Irony and Healing
How is OBL's murder a testament to the greatness of the USA? Or was that rhetorical?
So I take it you condone the terrorism that followed in OBL wake and were willing to live with and accept AQ terror-strewn activities at home and abroad. You do not think that taking out OBL was a good thing? Really?
Sorry not hip on Jack Bauer. Shows to me that you can't differentiate between fiction and reality.
Yes, for one day ..
How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time.
us pretend all those wars aren't actually taking place, the PotUSA is not a politician, OBL & gang have no political affiliations and these events have no impact in modern political affairs.
When did I ever say that this event would have no impact on modern political affairs? It certainly does. My plea is that is should not. This should be a time of unity not devicive poltical bantering. Of course people on both sides will use this as a political tool for their own manipulation. However, hopefully other will take the road less traveled.
It seems these subjects can oft be very emotionally charged for many people and with our natural tendency as humans to let our emotions run wild at times and all, there's a sense some emotions are better suited for uniting, while others may serve better for dividing.
This event goes beyond mere emotions. We did what we had to do to prevent further evil from continuing, bottom line. Were emotions involved sure. However, I can assure you that the military or any other services related career does not run on pure emotion day in and day out. It runs on a sense of duty and commitment for doing what is right. Do some people betray this commitment, of course, However that does not negate the vast majority who want to serve and help their fellow man.
Honestly, who feels a heightened sense of freedom?
I think freedom and security to practice that freedom go hand in hand. Is not one less mass-murdering terrorist a good thing?
Please DA, don't pay any mind to the sarcasm as it's only meant in jest. I think we may agree that hopefully as many as can may release the bitterness and hatred that they've stocked in this man's image, and in doing so, heal.
Bitterness and hatred which are well founded. I hate to say it, but maybe one day you will understand if you ever fall victim to it. It is easy to make little quips from the comfort of your own home without experiencing it yourself.
Perhaps the irony of our posts often speak largely for themselves ..
And what irony is that praytell?
Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.

"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

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Bailey
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Message 36 of 98 (614256)
05-03-2011 8:15 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by DevilsAdvocate
05-03-2011 4:33 AM


Re: Regarding Rhetoric, Emotions, Irony and Healing
DevilsAdvocate writes:
How is OBL's murder a testament to the greatness of the USA? Or was that rhetorical?
So I take it you condone the blah blah blah ... You do not think that taking out OBL was a good thing?
Please, rather then put words in my mouth, just answer the question or take a pass.
Sorry not hip on Jack Bauer. Shows to me that you can't differentiate between fiction and reality.
Show me there's a concise difference in the realm of propaganda and politics.
Yes, for one day ..
How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time.
I don't eat elephants ..
However, I'm not convinced ignoring political realities helps digest them. No sooner would it have fallen the Berlin Wall or will it add your blue and white accents to Tiananmen Square.
us pretend all those wars aren't actually taking place, the PotUSA is not a politician, OBL & gang have no political affiliations and these events have no impact in modern political affairs.
When did I ever say that this event would have no impact on modern political affairs? It certainly does. My plea is that is should not.
And I'm disagreeing w/ you. In an optimal setting, events of this nature should be able to be critiqued and discussed openly without fear of being accused of passive terrorism when disagreements arise, as you've done.
Playing the cheerleader is cute, but it does little else than entertain.
It seems these subjects can oft be very emotionally charged for many people and with our natural tendency as humans to let our emotions run wild at times and all, there's a sense some emotions are better suited for uniting, while others may serve better for dividing.
This event goes beyond mere emotions.
It's fueled w/ emotion DA and I hope you're not ignorant enough to overlook such dynamics.
We did what we had to do to prevent further evil from continuing, bottom line.
So we finally nipped it in the bud huh - I mean, all that evil for all them millenia, & all we had to do was shoot an arab. As if murder could ever prevent evil ... honestly DA
Who feels a heightened sense of freedom?
Is not one less mass-murdering terrorist a good thing?
You be the judge, yet - now that the boogey man's dead, who feels a heightened sense of freedom ?
Please DA, don't pay any mind to the sarcasm as it's only meant in jest. I think we may agree that hopefully as many as can may release the bitterness and hatred that they've stocked in this man's image, and in doing so, heal.
Bitterness and hatred which are well founded.
Perhaps, and well funded, so you go ahead and nurture your bitterness and hatred then.
Nevertheless, with the effective removal of OBL as a conscious threat, it's my hope and prayer that others can finally heal.
I hate to say it, but maybe one day you will understand if you ever fall victim to it. It is easy to make little quips from the comfort of your own home without experiencing it yourself.
Comments like this are without foundation as Bailey does not live in a vacuum, even when speaking in the third person.
Perhaps the irony of our posts often speak largely for themselves ..
And what irony is that praytell?
The notion that you said "Let's not bring politics and political rhetoric into this great day .." and "Stop using this victory for your own political tirades .." and then nonchalantly ended your post with a couple tirades from politicians.
Edited by Bailey, : ABE ..

I'm not here to mock or condemn what you believe, tho my intentions are no less than to tickle your thinker.
If those in first century CE had known what these words mean ... 'I want and desire mercy, not sacrifice'
They surely would not have murdered the innocent; why trust what I say, when you can learn for yourself?
Think for yourself.
Mercy Trumps Judgement,
Love Weary

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Message 37 of 98 (614281)
05-03-2011 11:08 AM
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05-03-2011 4:33 AM


Re: Regarding Rhetoric, Emotions, Irony and Healing
DevilsAdvocate writes:
How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time.
You can't bite him to death, though.

If you have nothing to say, you could have done so much more concisely. -- Dr Adequate

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DevilsAdvocate
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Message 38 of 98 (614375)
05-03-2011 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Bailey
05-03-2011 8:15 AM


Re: Regarding Rhetoric, Emotions, Irony and Healing
Please, rather then put words in my mouth, just answer the question or take a pass.
By standing up to terrorism instead of cowtowing as some countries do to the demands of mass-murdering maniacs.
Sorry not hip on Jack Bauer. Shows to me that you can't differentiate between fiction and reality.
Show me there's a concise difference in the realm of propaganda and politics.
What is your point. I think we all agree that politics and propoganda are prevalent in all forums including this one. My point is what the heck does Jack Bauer have to do with taking out Bin Laden?
I don't eat elephants ..
However, I'm not convinced ignoring political realities helps digest them. No sooner would it have fallen the Berlin Wall or will it add your blue and white accents to Tiananmen Square.
What political reality do you think I am ignoring? What does this have to do with the Berlin Wall or Tiananmen Square. If you bring these other events you need to make the connections.
And I'm disagreeing w/ you. In an optimal setting, events of this nature should be able to be critiqued and discussed openly without fear of being accused of passive terrorism when disagreements arise, as you've done.
Ok, critique away. I am a big boy. Just be able to back up your assertions.
Playing the cheerleader is cute, but it does little else than entertain.
And being the token spoiler with little to back up your claims does nothing.
It's fueled w/ emotion DA and I hope you're not ignorant enough to overlook such dynamics.
I walked down the pier today and boarded my ship. Guess what, not much has changed in my daily military duties accept an increase in military security. No one was high fiving each other or yelling about getting Bin Laden. It was, in a way not much different than any other day in the Navy. In fact, very few people talked about the event. It was all very somber and nonchalant.
You want to know why? Because this event was just one event in a long chain of events taken to neutralize the potency of worldwide terrorism. However, it is not the end of this chain. We in the military KNOW this is not the end of terrorism and tyranny. We KNOW the price of freedom and at what cost it comes. We KNOW what we have to continue to do irregardless of whether the public takes notice or not.
In bunkers and rooms around the world, military personnel worldwide sat with silent resolve as they watched what unfolded on Sunday KNOWING that taking out Bin Laden was not the end. In fact they knew that this could potentially increase threats against our military forces.
So we finally nipped it in the bud huh - I mean, all that evil for all them millenia, & all we had to do was shoot an arab. As if murder could ever prevent evil ... honestly DA
Bin Laden was as much an enemy of Muslims as he was of us. In fact, I would claim he was more an enemy of the Muslims, betraying their very trust.
Really, you can sit there in the comfort of your house as you make these baseless remarks caring less the blood spilt to protect your freedoms.
You know nothing about me. So don't sit there and stereotype me. I work with many Arabs and Muslims in the military. I have friends of all colors, creeds and ethnicities. I have been deployed four times to the middle east. I would venture that I know more of these people than you ever will.
You be the judge, yet - now that the boogey man's dead, who feels a heightened sense of freedom ?
I would say there are many Muslims who do at the least.
Perhaps, and well funded, so you go ahead and nurture your bitterness and hatred then.
Nevertheless, with the effective removal of OBL as a conscious threat, it's my hope and prayer that others can finally heal.
I am not bitter. Just sad that we could not have prevented the senseless murder of literally tens of thousands and more due to the actions of this one man.
The notion that you said "Let's not bring politics and political rhetoric into this great day .." and "Stop using this victory for your own political tirades .." and then nonchalantly ended your post with a couple tirades from politicians.
I am sad that you really do not understand the destructiveness this one man caused in the world. You really have no clue why people are happy to see this man gone. It is akin to you criticizing family members of vicitims of a mass murder for being relieved and at peace at seeing the murder executed. I really don't understand your contempt for those who are happy one less murderous bastard is taken out.
The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing.
Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.
Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.

"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

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Bailey
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Message 39 of 98 (614399)
05-04-2011 3:34 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by DevilsAdvocate
05-03-2011 8:16 PM


Re: Regarding Rhetoric, Emotions, Irony and Healing
By standing up to terrorism ..
The USA is not the only nation to do this.
So why is this not a testament to the greatness of anyone who is unafraid of terrorists?
My point is what the heck does Jack Bauer have to do with taking out Bin Laden?
You make it sound like shooting a dirty arab who's hiding in a broom closet is paramount to the moon landing.
Special forces perform surgical operations on a routine basis.
What political reality do you think I am ignoring?
When did I say you were?
I'm assuming you were analogizing the elephant to terrorism, and so, I'm suggesting your desire to silence dissenting opinions is a form of curable ignorance. Not discussing the issues in E/W Germany only kept the wall up.
However, it is not the end of this chain .. In fact they knew that this could potentially increase threats against our military forces.
Thank you for making my point.
Bin Laden was as much an enemy of Muslims as he was of us
I said nothing of muslims.
Fighting fire with fire works at times, and other times it only succeeds in making a larger fire.
Stroking your national ego does little besides fan the flames.
You know nothing about me. So don't sit there and stereotype me
Yes Mr. Kettle.
I work with many Arabs and Muslims in the military. I have friends of all colors, creeds and ethnicities. I have been deployed four times to the middle east. I would venture that I know more of these people than you ever will.
See above ..
I would say there are many Muslims who do at the least.
Now you speak for muslims huh?
Out of apprx. 2 dozen people I spoke with in the field yesterday, 2 said they breathed a sigh of relief.
Most others did not percieve OBL as any more of a threat than the next terrorist in line.
And since the line is long, why should my family feel safer minus one mouthpiece?
Perhaps the irony of our posts often speak largely for themselves ..
And what irony is that praytell?
The notion that you said "Let's not bring politics and political rhetoric into this great day .." and "Stop using this victory for your own political tirades .." and then nonchalantly ended your post with a couple tirades from politicians.
I am sad that you really do not blah blah blah .. You really have no clue why blah blah blah .. It is akin to you criticizing blah blah blah .. I really don't understand your blah blah blah
Save your breath (or finger tips) and btw, nice diversion here I guess I'm still convinced that we can't diminish the value of one category of human life - yes, even that of a scumbag terrorist - without diminishing the value of all human life.
So please, forgive me for not celebrating a murder, but I don't do it when christians suggest to either.

I'm not here to mock or condemn what you believe, tho my intentions are no less than to tickle your thinker.
If those in first century CE had known what these words mean ... 'I want and desire mercy, not sacrifice'
They surely would not have murdered the innocent; why trust what I say, when you can learn for yourself?
Think for yourself.
Mercy Trumps Judgement,
Love Weary

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DevilsAdvocate
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Message 40 of 98 (614406)
05-04-2011 4:43 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by Bailey
05-04-2011 3:34 AM


Re: Regarding Rhetoric, Emotions, Irony and Healing
The USA is not the only nation to do this.
Did I ever say that the US was the only country to fight terrorism??However, the USA military and CIA worked nearly unilaterraly in this one event (taking down Bin Laden in a surgical strike) so they can take the credit for this. Not to say that other countries like GB have not done there part on other terrorist fronts i.e. the fight against the Taliban in Afghanistan.
So why is this not a testament to the greatness of anyone who is unafraid of terrorists?
Who is saying it isnt?? Who is the one putting words in my mouth?
You make it sound like shooting a dirty arab who's hiding in a broom closet is paramount to the moon landing.
Um ok. Are you saying taking down the most notorious terrorist on Earth who masterminded the plot to kill thousands of Americans as well as tens of thousands of Muslims is not a significant achievement?
Special forces perform surgical operations on a routine basis.
Not of #1 on the World's most wanted terrorists list.
Me writes:
What political reality do you think I am ignoring?
[/qs]
Bailey writes:
When did I say you were?
[/qs]
Here:
Bailey writes:
However, I'm not convinced ignoring political realities helps digest them.
Know you can't even remember what you yourself wrote. I feel like I am arguing with a child.
I'm suggesting your desire to silence dissenting opinions is a form of curable ignorance.
When did I try to silence your dissenting opinion? Who is being ignorant here.
Not discussing the issues in E/W Germany only kept the wall up.
What does Bin Laden have to do with the Berlin Wall? Really?!? Please you have still not made a connection. I wouldn't be 'discussing' on this board if I didn't care to 'discuss the issues'. Your logic baffles me.
Fighting fire with fire works at times, and other times it only succeeds in making a larger fire
So you think we should have just stayed at home and done nothing after Al Queda terrorists made numerous attacks not just on our soil but our embassies around the world. Isolationism did not work in WWII and would have been disasterous if we did not do something after 9-11.
Stroking your national ego does little besides fan the flames.
Easy to say as you complicitly accept the protection of your freedoms from those who put their lives on the line.
Most others did not percieve OBL as any more of a threat than the next terrorist in line.
And since the line is long, why should my family feel safer minus one mouthpiece?
It is no use arguing sense with you. If you feel that nothing was accomplished nothing I say will convince you. Have a nice life.
Save your breath (or finger tips) and btw, nice diversion here I guess I'm still convinced that we can't diminish the value of one category of human life - yes, even that of a scumbag terrorist - without diminishing the value of all human life.
Really you think removing Bin Laden from the picture diminishes all of human life. You are really warped.
So please, forgive me for not celebrating a murder, but I don't do it when christians suggest to either.
So I guess if one of your family members or friends was murdered by this bastard you would have no compulsion or desire to want to take this guy out. You would care less if he got of scott free in a court of law and go out to continue his murderous rampage. Speaks alot about your sense of morality and your willingness to tacitally condone his actions by doing absolutely fucking nothing, essentially spitting in the face of the victims of 9-11 and those who put their lives on the line to protect your freedoms.

"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

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Dr Jack
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Message 41 of 98 (614409)
05-04-2011 5:01 AM


Armed men shoot unarmed man in front of wife and children
Hmm...

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Message 42 of 98 (614410)
05-04-2011 6:26 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by Dr Jack
05-04-2011 5:01 AM


Re: Armed men shoot unarmed man in front of wife and children
That title seems to be possibly minimizing the situation. Are the reports of the wife rushing them not correct? How are people to know if the compound is or is not rigged to blow? Or where guns may be stashed? How much risk is it fair to ask the ground forces to take so that someone not cooperating might live? What help might OBL have received from the neighboring area?
On one hand, I can see that having a live person might help shut up many of the denialists. On the other hand, what terrorist actions might be spawned by having a live OBL?

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Message 43 of 98 (614412)
05-04-2011 7:51 AM
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05-04-2011 5:01 AM


Re: Armed men shoot unarmed man in front of wife and children
I knew something was wrong, that is why there are no photos, no body, he probably got shot executioner style. As to why they shot an unarmed terrorist leader we can only speculate, pissed off soldier boy, risk of more terrorist actions in demands of releasing osama,......

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Bailey
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Message 44 of 98 (614413)
05-04-2011 7:53 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by DevilsAdvocate
05-04-2011 4:43 AM


Who celebrates death besides terrorists?
Knowing the US and others are working diligently to protect us provides a sense of security, but knowing he's dead hasn't done the same for me yet.
I guess, in the end, I haven't been able to make a big deal about it because it seems like he's been dead for ten years.
And honestly DA, I apologize if I've hit a nerve - I'm as happy as you are that he's gone and I appreciate what you do.
Nevertheless, I dare say only terrorists celebrate murder.
Edited by Bailey, : sp.

I'm not here to mock or condemn what you believe, tho my intentions are no less than to tickle your thinker.
If those in first century CE had known what these words mean ... 'I want and desire mercy, not sacrifice'
They surely would not have murdered the innocent; why trust what I say, when you can learn for yourself?
Think for yourself.
Mercy Trumps Judgement,
Love Weary

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Message 45 of 98 (614428)
05-04-2011 10:17 AM
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05-04-2011 4:43 AM


Re: Regarding Rhetoric, Emotions, Irony and Healing
DevilsAdvocate writes:
So I guess if one of your family members or friends was murdered by this bastard you would have no compulsion or desire to want to take this guy out. You would care less if he got of scott free in a court of law and go out to continue his murderous rampage. Speaks alot about your sense of morality and your willingness to tacitally condone his actions by doing absolutely fucking nothing, essentially spitting in the face of the victims of 9-11 and those who put their lives on the line to protect your freedoms.
Nice pile of bullshit you posted there.
What someone may want to do and what they actually do are not synonymous. Of course people would like to see a murderer punished and yes people might get upset if a court verdict does not go their way, but that is also totally irrelevant to the issue of the crowds of US citizens dancing and chanting in the streets or the utterly silly stadium chants of "USA, USA" when the first news broke.
Nor has anyone suggested doing absolutely fucking nothing. Nor is it essentially spitting in the face of the victims of 9-11 and those who put their lives on the line to protect your freedoms; it is called respecting the rule of law; it is called being civilized.
You are of course free to rant to your hearts content, but understand why others see it as just a rant.
Edited by jar, : appalin spallin

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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