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Jaderis
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Message 218 of 1229 (615900)
05-18-2011 3:45 AM
Reply to: Message 136 by ICANT
05-12-2011 8:01 PM


Re: Time
ICANT writes:
Why is it my fault when Physics took an everyday word meaning increase in speed and hyjacked it and added their meaning "a change in velocity." to it?
I'm not sure... "Hyjacked?" What is that? Why does someone who is so particular about definitions not spell things correctly?

"You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London
"Hazards exist that are not marked" - some bar in Chelsea

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Jaderis
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Message 219 of 1229 (615902)
05-18-2011 4:34 AM
Reply to: Message 211 by ICANT
05-17-2011 5:40 PM


Existence=?????
ICANT...
What do you propose for the "eternal existence of the existence?"
How does it happen that something comes from nothing?
If some existence caused the existence of our existence then what caused that existence? And what caused that existence.......

"You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London
"Hazards exist that are not marked" - some bar in Chelsea

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Jaderis
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Posts: 622
From: NY,NY
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Message 345 of 1229 (618200)
06-02-2011 2:59 AM
Reply to: Message 232 by ICANT
05-19-2011 1:58 PM


Re: Existence=?????
ICANT writes:
Either there is eternal existence,
OR
Existence began to exist.
If existence had a beginning to exist that means it had to begin to exist from non-existence.
So I will ask you:
Is there eternal existence?
OR
Did existence begin to exist?
Does your God exist? If so, is existence eternal or did it begin to exist?
If existence has to be either/or and your god exists and the universe also exists then the question can be equally posed to either idea.
Yes, as far as we can detect the universe had a beginning, but we know that the universe exists. Therefore, all we know of existence is what began at the beginning of time. If your god exists, it has to be part of existence and therefore, had to begin to exist (or, as per your logic, doesn't exist).
Or (again, as per your logic) all existence is eternal and your god has no special place.
Or does Yahweh get a special pass because he said so?

"You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London
"Hazards exist that are not marked" - some bar in Chelsea

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Jaderis
Member (Idle past 3446 days)
Posts: 622
From: NY,NY
Joined: 06-16-2006


Message 346 of 1229 (618201)
06-02-2011 3:45 AM
Reply to: Message 269 by ICANT
05-23-2011 2:44 PM


Re: ICANT is not alone
ICANT writes:
Hi NoNukes,
NoNukes writes:
Apparently ICANT does not accept the time dilation predicted by Special Relativity due to relative motion between frames.
ICANT don't believe time can be dilated.
Dilated meaning streached or expanded.
You can not streach time like you can bubble gum.
Time is a concept of man. A concept can not be streached.
An object can be streached or shortned.
What kind of an object is time?
So could you give me a definition of the time that you are streaching when you talk about time dilation?
God Bless,
Do you not believe that a period of time for tax cuts or EPA standards can be extended or ended?
What about a speech which is supposed to last 5 minutes but the speaker has only 4 in his head and is told to "stretch it out?"
What is your deal with definitions? Are you not familiar with language and the evolution of? Etymology? Idioms?
You're obviously not familiar with the scientific uses of these words, but it's baffling to me that you are unfamiliar with the colloquial uses.

"You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London
"Hazards exist that are not marked" - some bar in Chelsea

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