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ZenMonkey Member (Idle past 4538 days) Posts: 428 From: Portland, OR USA Joined: |
Tram law writes: After all, if homosexual literature telling why it's okay to be homosexual, which is a belief and not a fact, then it should be okay to teach that creationism is okay to believe, otherwise, it is discrimination. What you might be thinking of here are anti-bullying measures that some schools have been instituting lately. Some kids apparently need to be reminded that it's not okay to beat up some other kid because he or she is gay or might be gay or kinda looks gay. Of course, it's not okay for kids to be beating each other up at all. I think that the point is not so much to single out gay or gay-like kids as some special protected class, but to make sure that they're as protected from bullying as any other kid. No-one's trying to impose any opinion here, other than the notion that there's no special exemption that makes harassing some kids not against the rules. I have no time for lies and fantasy, and neither should you. Enjoy or die. -John Lydon Reality has a well-known liberal bias.-Steven Colbert I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it.- John Stuart Mill
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ZenMonkey Member (Idle past 4538 days) Posts: 428 From: Portland, OR USA Joined: |
Tram law writes: It's never been okay for me to be wrong. Every single time I'm wrong people call me a retard or a child or insult me to no end. I know how that feels. I once got roasted by Dr Adequate for one of the many, many math errors that I've made while making an argument here, and it was not pleasant. It helps to have a healthy dose of humility. I figure that there are people here who know things that I do not, and it can only do me good to make a mistake and then be corrected. It's one of the best ways to learn. In my college, where all the classes were small seminars, we used to say that if you haven't changed your mind about something by the end of a discussion, then you haven't learned anything. Stay calm, respect the local customs, and be grateful for the opportunity to change your mind. Your beliefs do not effect reality and evidently reality does not effect your beliefs. -Theodoric Reality has a well-known liberal bias.-Steven Colbert I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it.- John Stuart Mill
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ZenMonkey Member (Idle past 4538 days) Posts: 428 From: Portland, OR USA Joined: |
Tram law writes: That's why religion is needed/ in schools.And children need to be taught what's right and wrong. It's sad that there aren't any churches in Weed, CA where children can learn about religion. Do they only teach biology and physics in Sunday school there? Edited by ZenMonkey, : Rhetorical clarity. Your beliefs do not effect reality and evidently reality does not effect your beliefs. -Theodoric Reality has a well-known liberal bias.-Steven Colbert I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it.- John Stuart Mill
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ZenMonkey Member (Idle past 4538 days) Posts: 428 From: Portland, OR USA Joined: |
Taq writes: marc9000 writes: There is a controversy regarding evolution among the general public, and the general public is who the schools are for. I agree. The citizens of Louisiana should be able to decide how their taxes are spent with relation to public schooling and what is taught in those public schools, as long as what is taught does not violate the Constitutional rights of the students. To be quite frank, I do not view removal of evolution from the science curriculum to be a violation of a student's Constitutional rights. Teaching creationism would be a violation, but that is a separate topic. Well, it might not be un-Constitutional to remove evolution from a school district's science curriculum, just as it probably wouldn't be un-Constitutional to remove algebra from their math curriculum. It would certainly be doing them a disservice though, wouldn't it? The religious right has for years been taking advantage of the fact that most voters don't really pay attention to the names at the bottom of the ballot for apparently minor local offices like school boards. Thus they've been able to elect mobs of fellow anti-science ignoramuses into positions in which they can attack teaching anything that doesn't agree with their stunted religious world view. Our educational standards have continued to sink as a result. Your beliefs do not effect reality and evidently reality does not effect your beliefs. -Theodoric Reality has a well-known liberal bias.-Steven Colbert I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it.- John Stuart Mill
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ZenMonkey Member (Idle past 4538 days) Posts: 428 From: Portland, OR USA Joined: |
marc9000 writes: Were there any atheist plantiffs, or did they all take a vacation when they found enough "Christians" to carry their water for them? The ACLU can do some amazing things, can't it? So if there are atheists among those protesting this attempt to sabotage science, then it's an atheist conspiracy, and if there aren't any atheists, it's an atheist conspiracy? I see.
marc9000 writes: I was told that "different people/scientists" in different wings/laBORatories of the universities are doing abiogenesis research. It doesn't make the headlines, get near the detail in science books that evolution does. (obviously because it can't meet the criteria to be considered science, that is set for ID) So research scientists are doing ongoing research, and somehow this hasn't made headlines? Shocking. Must be an atheist conspiracy.
marc9000 writes: dwise1 writes: (don't worry; In 1981 I virtually cut my teeth on its sister Arkansas law, both of them having been based on a model bill written by respiratory therapist Paul Ellwanger whose stated purpose, admitted as evidence in court, was "... the idea of killing evolution instead of playing these debating games that we've been playing for nigh over a decade already."; the court decisions on both the Arkansas and Louisiana laws exposed them for being based on narrowly sectarian religious beliefs, which further exposes the hypocrisy of your Wikipedia quote) That’s how clever attorneys work. They condemn something on a far removed thing they claim it’s based on, not what it actually says, or is intended to do. So attorneys got a judge to agree that religiously-based attempts to inject non-science into public schools were religiously-based? Must be - wait for it - an atheist conspiracy.
marc9000 writes: Yet evolution is never criticized for being based on the 19th century imaginations of not only Darwin, but Charles Lyell, Alfred Wallace, Herbert Spencer and Thomas Huxley. None of them knew anything about the simplest forms of life. Modern biological science is based on the work of 19th century scientists in about the same way that modern physics is based on the 19th century work of James Clerk Maxwell, Michael Faraday, and Hans Christian ‘rsted. Many interesting insights and discoveries laying a foundation for further developments. There have been people doing science in both fields since the 19th century, I believe.
marc9000 writes: dwise1 writes: And just what makes you think that religious organizations should receive public funds to support their religious activities? I never said that. My problem is with atheist organizations that receive public funds to support their big government, anti religious agendas. And who would that be again? You seem to have this idea that anything that's not explicitly religious is somehow atheistic. Are you also against atheist calculus classes, atheist English classes, and atheist drivers ed?
quote: Well, those are some interesting books. What does that have to do with anything? There's quite a bit more nonsense in your post, but that's enough for me for a while. Does it ever occur to you that the reason that you get ROFLpiled every time you post something here is that it takes about 10 to 15 people to cover all the things that you get wrong? Your beliefs do not effect reality and evidently reality does not effect your beliefs. -Theodoric Reality has a well-known liberal bias.-Steven Colbert I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it.- John Stuart Mill
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ZenMonkey Member (Idle past 4538 days) Posts: 428 From: Portland, OR USA Joined: |
Dr Adequate writes: I suggest that you replace this statement with the sentence "Flamenco-dancing anteaters are gnawing at my hat" to maintain your otherwise impeccable standard of bizarre, surreal inaccuracy. How do you know that that's necessarily an inaccurate statement? After all, we don't really know anything about marc9000's home life. Your beliefs do not effect reality and evidently reality does not effect your beliefs. -Theodoric Reality has a well-known liberal bias.-Steven Colbert I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it.- John Stuart Mill
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