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Author Topic:   If our sun is second or third generation, does this not conflict with Genesis ?
Taz
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Message 65 of 231 (615919)
05-18-2011 10:01 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by CogitoErgoSum
05-10-2011 9:34 AM


Stellar evolutionary theory states the existence of multi-generations of stars. Different generations of stars states the existence of stellar evolutionary theory. Sounds circular to me.

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Taz
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Message 67 of 231 (615990)
05-18-2011 7:42 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by NoNukes
05-18-2011 12:33 PM


NoNukes writes:
Besides that, you are wrong. Stellar evolution is simply about the birth, main sequence time, and death of individual stars. Unlike biological evolution, stellar evolution is about the changes in stars during their existence, and not about changes from generation to generation.
While I will give you that stellar evolution deals with lifetime of a star, it implies multiple generations of stars. Where do you think 2nd, 3rd, etc. generation stars come from? Santa Claus?

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Taz
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Message 69 of 231 (615994)
05-18-2011 8:10 PM
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05-18-2011 8:00 PM


You misunderstand my point. I'm not trying to change anything. I am, however, pointing out the implication of stellar evolution, which is that a new generation of star is born from the death of previous generation.
Again, if you want to ignore this implication, then where do subsequent generations of stars come from? Santa Clause?
Edit.
Hence the circular argument.
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Taz
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Message 72 of 231 (616029)
05-19-2011 12:10 AM
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05-18-2011 9:45 PM


NoNukes writes:
Sol contains elements other than hydrogen and helium that it cannot generate from nuclear fusion. We do not expect that those elements were formed in the Big Bang. Thus Sol is not a first generation star. In fact, Sol's relatively high metallicity suggests that Sol is probably a population I star.
Pretty hefty assumptions here.
(1) Sol contains elements other than hydrogen and helium? Has anyone taken a sample from the sun and tested it out? Blowing hot air much these days?
(2) You assume these elements didn't form in the big bang.
(3) You assume there was a big bang.
(4) Sol is not a first generation star, which goes back to the circular argument.
(5) Sol has metalic elements. Again, anyone ever taken a sample from the sun? Seems to me like the scientific community is just blowing hot air on this one LOL
Congrats on making a post containing entirely of nonsensical assumptions.
Circular argument:
A) There's been several generations of stars because the sun is 3rd generation.
B) The sun is 3rd generation because there's been several generations (or populations) of stars.
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