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Granny Magda
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Message 143 of 229 (616543)
05-23-2011 8:09 AM
Reply to: Message 139 by Buzsaw
05-23-2011 7:19 AM


Re: More Bad Stuff Ahead For The US
Hi Buz,
Buzsaw writes:
Go back to the Obama threads back in '08 where I warned you about this despotic radical who would undermine our good ally Israel and favor their Muslim enemies.
Okay let's do that;
Buzsaw writes:
What can we expect to eventually become reality according to the agenda of the new far left Obama and Congress:
1. Forced unionism.
2. Socialized medicine.
3. Weaker smaller military.
4. Paramilitary civilian government controlled services required upon every young person.
5. So called (miss called) Fairness Doctrine essentially eliminating right wing talk shows in the media, highly expanding what is regarded as hate speech.
6. Increased Jihadist terrorism by terrorists who supported the Obama presidency.
7. Further undermining of the sovereignty of Israel.
8. Increased energy costs.
9. Excessive high coal standards which will essentially put the coal mines out of business.
10. Expansion of the EPA's influence to the point of more dependence of foreign energy.
11. Severe depression as the result of regulation and high taxes on business and the well to do who provide the jobs as they choose to close up rather than to comply.
12. Expansion of regulations on businesses.
13. Wider open boarders and expansion of rights etc to illegal aliens.
14. Highly expansion of UN powers over nations and diminishment of sovereignty of nations.
15. Billions of American $$ more committed to UN welfare for third world nations, including oppressive governments.
16. Reduction of freedom of religion via the Fairness Doctrine and other government regulations.
17. Totally leftist Supreme Court and circuit courts etc which essentially permanently embeds America into socialism and the leftist agenda relative to all aspects of life.
18. Expansion of anti-gun laws.
19. Phenominal expansion of Federal government power/control and diminishment of state and local government control.
IN SHORT, THE END OF THE AMERICAN DREAM AND THE AMERICAN WAY.
YES, NATION OF ISLAM'S, JEHADIST'S, COMMUNIST PARTY'S, FORCED UNIONISM'S, UN'S, CHAVEZ'S CANDIDATE AND THE CANDIDATE OF MOST OF AMERICA'S OTHER ENEMIES, BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, "WILL CHANGE AMERICA," AS PROMISED.
Now the last time I asked you to back up any of those predictions, you told five pathetic lies and then backed off. Care to try again? I'm especially keen to hear how the right-wing media has been "eliminated".
Mutate and Survive

On two occasions I have been asked, — "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" ... I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage

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Granny Magda
Member (Idle past 144 days)
Posts: 2462
From: UK
Joined: 11-12-2007


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Message 184 of 229 (616725)
05-24-2011 9:20 AM
Reply to: Message 161 by Buzsaw
05-23-2011 2:27 PM


Re: More Bad Stuff Ahead For The US
Hi Buz,
All of the above are aspirations of Obama.
You actually think that Obama is such a monster that he wants energy prices to rise? But he is also so dim that he can't think of a better way to damage America than hiking up gas prices? You have a rathe rlimited imagination Buz.
Btw, you need to acknowledge the definition of lie. If you think I was mistaken or that my predictions failed, say so, but I appreciate it if you would refrain from personally attacking my character, calling me a liar.
Actually, i don't think that you're a liar exactly. I think that you're a dupe. The piffle you trotted out last time we covered this (which I refuted then) certainly consists of lies, they're just not your lies. You didn'r originate these lies, you just heard them being spread by whacko media outlets like Fox. And you believed them, because they fed into your prejudices. It's a shame. you are actually the victim here, a gullible patsy being lied to by right-wing propagandists.
Of course, that doesn't entirely absolve you of responsibility for the lies you repeat. Before accusing your own president (or any other person) of heinous crimes like terrorism, you should back those claims up with evidence. You have no evidence, only scare-mongering lies, spread by professional liars.
I said he would undermine Israel...
Yes, you did. And he hasn't.
...restrict energy production
Now either that is a lie or your memeory is shot and you couldn't be bothered to look back and see what you wrote. I can though. You said this;
Buzsaw writes:
8: Increased energy costs
9: Excessive high coal standards which will essentially put the coal mines out of business.
(8) is so pathetically obvious that a child could have predicted it. of course energy costs rose. They rose under Bush too. They have risen steadily for years. This is in no way Obama's fault. this is a non-prediction.
(9) Is just plain wrong.
So much for your powers of prophesy.
push the socialist agenda and work to end nationalism and advance the new world order.
This is nothing more than mental masturbation. At least, I hope it's just mental...
I said he would cause energy costs to rise. He did, and they are still on the rise.
see above. Of course, if you can demonstarte that Obama caused this, you might have something. But you haven't even bothered to try. Energy costs are up, as per usual, so you assume that Obama must be responsible. Pathetic.
Yah, so long as this regime is in power, bad stuff continues for the US.
As opposed to your darling Bush, under whose watch nothing bad ever happened.
Camping had it all wrong with his fool hearted and deceptive nonsense. He took it upon himself to read into the prophecies a whole lot of what isn't there.
That's it folks, there's no more irony for you to employ. Buzsaw just used up a years supply in a single sentence.
Mutate and Survive

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Granny Magda
Member (Idle past 144 days)
Posts: 2462
From: UK
Joined: 11-12-2007


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Message 188 of 229 (616820)
05-24-2011 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 186 by Buzsaw
05-24-2011 11:06 AM


Re: More Bad Stuff Ahead For The US
It is your cause and effect perception that appears to be limited, Granny. You restrict the production of energy and what do you get? Obama is suppose to be intelligent enough to understand that. He's also intelligent enough to know that if you dilute the $$ as his spending spree has done, you inflate the prices of about everything.
The US inflation rate is about 3.2%. That is hardly runaway inflation. The Dollar has not crashed. If Obama is trying to destroy America by screwing with the economy, he's doing a terrible job.
He, like his bud, George Soros knows that in order to change America into a socialist regime and implement the New World Order, you first need to impoverish the sheeple and make them dependent on the government. You can destroy the evil capitalist heritage of America so as to implement your desired socialist state.
You forget, I'm European. You can't just scare me off by shouting (ahem) buzz-words like "SOCIALISM!". It just doesn't have the same shock value to me as it does in certain circles in the US.
As a lifelong Socialist, I assure you, Obama is no Socialist. I sincerely wish he was. Instead he is a rather modest centrist.
You people keep on calling Fox News liars but never back up your assertions, when in fact much of the news which the lamestreams with-holds from the public, Fox airs. Thus the large viewer-ship which Fox gets.
I think that Taz's Fox news = false news thread has done a perfectly satisfactory job of proving that Fox News broadcasts lies.
As for your predictions, they are perfect examples of the lies that propagandists like Fox sell to you. The lies you swallow wholesale. Lies like;
Buzsaw writes:
1. Forced unionism.
Utter bullshit. It hasn't happened. Some liar told you it was going to happen and you believed it, but it hasn't happened.
3. Weaker smaller military.
The US still has the worlds strongest military, by a grotesquely wide margin. Obama has increased military spending and has just started his own shiny new war! You prediction was wrong, feebly wrong. You got lied to Buz. I mean, just look at this one;
6. Increased Jihadist terrorism by terrorists who supported the Obama presidency.
Ouch! Instead of your ludicrous conspiracy fever dream, Obama personally signed the order to assassinate Bin Laden. Yet you still won't accept that your own president isn't some kind of terrorist. I can't even bear to go on with your silly list of gaffes. It's just too embarrassing
What other president has treated Israel's prime minister as shabbily as Obama has on visits to the US?
All of them. That's what US presidents do when they talk to Israel. They have no choice given Israel's behaviour and unrealistic aspirations.
What other president has vocally and diplomatically favored Israel's enemy Muslim states as Obama has?
Pucker up Buz.
Granny, regarding coal, this is his what his aspirations are in his own words.
First you will note that he says he wants to bankrupt the people who build the coal power stations, not those who dig the coal. But enough of what he has said. What has he actually done?
quote:
Obama Administration Pouring $1 Billion Into Clean Coal Project
By Kent Garber
Posted: June 12, 2009
Print
Since taking over as energy secretary, Steven Chu, a Nobel Prize-winning physicist, has been talking up the importance of clean coal technology. The world won't abandon coal anytime soon, he has argued, so the United States has to start doing more to develop technologies that capture carbon dioxide from coal-fired plants.
In a sign the Obama administration is taking his argument seriously, Chu on Friday announced that the Department of Energy is pouring $1 billion from the economic stimulus package into relaunching FutureGen, an ambitious but long-stalled project intended to show how carbon dioxide can be captured on a large scale from coal-fired power plants.
Initially conceived in 2003, FutureGen was pitched as having the potential to be the first "zero-emissions" coal plant in the United States. In 2007, after several years of initial planning, Mattoon, Ill., was selected as the site. But in January 2008, the Bush administration pulled the project's funding, citing cost overruns. Since then, FutureGen has been stuck in something of an existential purgatory.
Effectively reversing that decision, Chu said on Friday that the Department of Energy has signed a new deal with the FutureGen Alliance, a consortium of roughly 20 coal producers and other companies that have backed the project from the start. Project officials will resume design activities and make new cost estimates, and a final decision on whether to green-light the project, officials say, will come next year.
The Energy Department will put up more than $1 billion to restart FutureGen, and the Alliance will chip in more than $400 million. Both will be working to bring in new partners.
The US coal industry has not collapsed. That was just another fantasy. Meanwhile, Obama is trying to find ways of providing for America's energy needs without damaging the climate. That sounds rather sensible to me. I only wish he were trying a bit harder.
Mutate and Survive
PS; Is there any chance of you retracting any of those false predictions? Surely you can see that your list wasn't a 100% success?

On two occasions I have been asked, — "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" ... I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage

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Granny Magda
Member (Idle past 144 days)
Posts: 2462
From: UK
Joined: 11-12-2007


Message 213 of 229 (617148)
05-26-2011 7:53 AM
Reply to: Message 211 by Trae
05-26-2011 6:42 AM


Re: More Bad Stuff Ahead For The US
Hi Trae,
I don’t know that you meant that photo to be accurate, but even without knowing its providence, as a former digital imaging professional, I can say with a high degree of confidence it is a fake.
Does it matter? I chose that particular image, even though I was somewhat dubious of it, because it made my point and because I thought it was the funniest out of the many pictures of Bush getting his freak on with the Saudis. The image itself is not the point, nor is the kiss. The point is that Bush is cosy with the House of Saud, one of the most evil gatherings of despots on the planet. He was diplomatically close to them during his tenure as president. He was and is close to them due to his personal business relationships. All this despite that fact that Saudi Arabia is one of the top sponsors of Islamic terrorism and the centre of Wahabbi Islam, one of the most repugnantly extreme and intolerant forms of Islam.
If you're concerned about the photo, fine, but this one makes my point just as well;
Should Bush be castigated for this? Well, perhaps. But the fact is that all US presidents have to cosy up to unpleasant foreign powers. It's part of the job. Buzsaw's hysteria over Obama is misplaced.
Mutate and Survive

On two occasions I have been asked, — "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" ... I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage

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