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GDR
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Message 166 of 229 (616615)
05-23-2011 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 139 by Buzsaw
05-23-2011 7:19 AM


Re: More Bad Stuff Ahead For The US
Buzsaw writes:
The prophecy did not pertain to parties. It pertained to nations AND individuals. take note As for who's sins; did you vote for Obama? Unfortunately, we all suffer, not by Jehovah, but for the stupidity of too many sheeple voters, ignorant or apathetic of Jehovah's warnings and ignoring the warnings all over the net as to the enemy of America who promised to change this nation into a socialist state, dependent upon foreign energy, shutting down our coal mines and restricting oil production.
I'm not sure how to say this nicely Buz but IMHO you are guilty of the very same thing that Jesus accused the Pharisees of. They took their nationalistic agenda and worshipped a god that fit their agenda. You have taken your right wing American agenda and by twisting the scriptures into the shape that fits that agenda you have created a god in your own image.
I'm not arguing your politics, but what I am arguing is your assumption that God is a card carrying member of the Republican party.

Everybody is entitled to my opinion.

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Taz
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Message 167 of 229 (616616)
05-23-2011 3:05 PM


Give him a day. This is a big deal. He needs to think about this.

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fearandloathing
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Message 168 of 229 (616618)
05-23-2011 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 167 by Taz
05-23-2011 3:05 PM


Wow if you listen he says" live with", and then changes it to "think it out".
Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given.

"I hate to advocate the use of drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson
Ad astra per aspera
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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dwise1
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Message 169 of 229 (616667)
05-23-2011 8:36 PM


I wonder. When people's lives are destroyed by their faith, does that make them martyrs for their faith?

  
Buzsaw
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Message 170 of 229 (616674)
05-23-2011 10:03 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by GDR
05-23-2011 3:05 PM


Re: More Bad Stuff Ahead For The US
GDR writes:
Buzsaw writes:
The prophecy did not pertain to parties. It pertained to nations AND individuals. take note As for who's sins; did you vote for Obama? Unfortunately, we all suffer, not by Jehovah, but for the stupidity of too many sheeple voters, ignorant or apathetic of Jehovah's warnings and ignoring the warnings all over the net as to the enemy of America who promised to change this nation into a socialist state, dependent upon foreign energy, shutting down our coal mines and restricting oil production.
I'm not sure how to say this nicely Buz but IMHO you are guilty of the very same thing that Jesus accused the Pharisees of. They took their nationalistic agenda and worshiped a god that fit their agenda. You have taken your right wing American agenda and by twisting the scriptures into the shape that fits that agenda you have created a god in your own image.
I'm not arguing your politics, but what I am arguing is your assumption that God is a card carrying member of the Republican party.
I said God is neither Republican or Democrat, etc. He is pro-Israel and against any, Pharaoh of the Exodus, Republicans like George Bush who occupied two nations, pouring billions into building them up who hate and curse Israel, and Obama who is pursuring Israel to give up their land, the apple of Jehovah's eye.
Under Bush, 9/11. He was the first to have a Muslim prayer meeting in the White house as the entourage of Arab leaders assembled there. He sent our troupes and armor into Muslim nations, teaching them how to fight their enemies (Israel) showing them all of our technology, rebuilding their schools and cities, etc and now Obama who vows to set up a Palestinian state in the land of the apple of Jehovah's eye.
The Obama administration is pursuing Israel all the way into the Mediterranean Sea where all of their neighboring nations vowed to send them back in the 1967 war and since just as Pharaoh pursued the Israelites into the Gulf of Aqaba.
As my evidence showed Jehovah caused all kinds of plagues and bad things for Pharaoh and his army. Jehovah is now plaguing America from shore to shore with rapid fire disastrous, targeting cities with his ministers, the whirlwinds, fires, etc.
Jehovah via Moses forwarned Pharaoh that if he curses Israel Jehovah would essentially curse him. America is essentially cursing Israel and working to part their God given land. Jehovah is cursing America.
You people poo-pooed the bad Jehovah did to Egypt because many of you don't think he exists or than his book is fable. Well, Jehovah has warned all nations that if they bless Israel like America has the past century, aiding them with cash, technology and armament for their survival. Now that the US is cursing Israel, Jehovah is cursing the US and doing bad things to us as a nation. He showed Egypt that he was the true God and must be taken seriously. Now he is showing the nations that his promise to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob concerning Israel his land and concerning blessings and cursing are real.
If the US continues undermining the Jehovah's restored messianic nation, more bad stuff is ahead for the US.
Don't say Jehovah is an evil god. He is the god of blessings to those who fear and acknowledge that he is god and that Israel is his nation as the Bible says. He is merciful in forewarning the nations how to be blessed and avoid the curse. Like Pharaoh and Egypt, if they ignore his warnings and pursue Israel for their demise, Jehovah will pursue them for their demise. The same goes for the US. So long as we send billions in aid to them, build up their armies and cities and undermine God's nation, parting their land, God will keep his curse promise.
In the prophecies concerning Israel, Jehovah repeats the promise that end when Jesus sets up his Zionistic messianic nation, all of the nations of the world will acknowledge him, bringing gifts to Jerusalem and doing pilgrimages there. There will be a highway from Damascus to Egypt when all will be at peace. The swords will be beaten into plowshares, as the prophecy goes.
Camping touted his own money driven agenda. Buzsaw touts the Biblical record for free and as so much has been on track with fulfillment in the past all has either been fulfilled or proves to be emerging as the prophets and Jesus fortold.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Panda
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Message 171 of 229 (616676)
05-23-2011 10:19 PM
Reply to: Message 170 by Buzsaw
05-23-2011 10:03 PM


Re: More Bad Stuff Ahead For The US
Buzsaw writes:
Buzsaw touts the Biblical record for free and as so much has been on track with fulfillment in the past all has either been fulfilled or proves to be emerging as the prophets and Jesus fortold.
You are the kind of person that would foretell the end of the world...and 5 billion years later - after the sun has died - you would cry from your grave: "See!! I said the world would end!!"
Prophesies without a date are completely worthless.

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Coyote
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Message 172 of 229 (616685)
05-23-2011 11:35 PM
Reply to: Message 171 by Panda
05-23-2011 10:19 PM


Re: More Bad Stuff Ahead For The US
Panda writes:
Prophesies without a date are completely worthless.
It does not pay a prophet to be too specific.
L. Sprague de Camp

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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GDR
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Message 173 of 229 (616688)
05-23-2011 11:50 PM
Reply to: Message 170 by Buzsaw
05-23-2011 10:03 PM


Re: More Bad Stuff Ahead For The US
Buzsaw writes:
Don't say Jehovah is an evil god. He is the god of blessings to those who fear and acknowledge that he is god and that Israel is his nation as the Bible says. He is merciful in forewarning the nations how to be blessed and avoid the curse. Like Pharaoh and Egypt, if they ignore his warnings and pursue Israel for their demise, Jehovah will pursue them for their demise. The same goes for the US. So long as we send billions in aid to them, build up their armies and cities and undermine God's nation, parting their land, God will keep his curse promise.
It takes an unbelievably twisted view of Holy Scripture to come up with a view like that Buz. You have turned a God of love, forgiveness and restorative justice into a god of vengeance and tyranny. I find it incredibly sad that someone who claims to be a follower of the Hebrew God as revealed in Jesus could hold these views.
I'm sorry if I sound judgemental but it frankly it just makes me very sad.

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crashfrog
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Message 174 of 229 (616691)
05-24-2011 1:06 AM
Reply to: Message 170 by Buzsaw
05-23-2011 10:03 PM


Re: More Bad Stuff Ahead For The US
Obama who is pursuring Israel to give up their land, the apple of Jehovah's eye.
How much land is Israel's land? Please be specific.

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Taz
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Message 175 of 229 (616692)
05-24-2011 1:17 AM
Reply to: Message 173 by GDR
05-23-2011 11:50 PM


Re: More Bad Stuff Ahead For The US
GDR writes:
Buzsaw writes:
Don't say Jehovah is an evil god. He is the god of blessings to those who fear and acknowledge that he is god and that Israel is his nation as the Bible says. He is merciful in forewarning the nations how to be blessed and avoid the curse. Like Pharaoh and Egypt, if they ignore his warnings and pursue Israel for their demise, Jehovah will pursue them for their demise. The same goes for the US. So long as we send billions in aid to them, build up their armies and cities and undermine God's nation, parting their land, God will keep his curse promise.
It takes an unbelievably twisted view of Holy Scripture to come up with a view like that Buz. You have turned a God of love, forgiveness and restorative justice into a god of vengeance and tyranny. I find it incredibly sad that someone who claims to be a follower of the Hebrew God as revealed in Jesus could hold these views.
I'm sorry if I sound judgemental but it frankly it just makes me very sad.
What fantasy holy scripture are you referring to? Have you read the old testament lately?

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GDR
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Message 176 of 229 (616697)
05-24-2011 2:34 AM
Reply to: Message 175 by Taz
05-24-2011 1:17 AM


Re: More Bad Stuff Ahead For The US
Taz writes:
What fantasy holy scripture are you referring to? Have you read the old testament lately?
That's the thing isn't it. If you insist on taking the Bible as being ghost written by God then you wind up with a schizophrenic god. I mentioned that we are talking about God as revealed through Jesus Christ.
I've just gone through all this on another thread. If you are genuinely interested in my position I've outlined it as best I can here.
Inerrancy

Everybody is entitled to my opinion.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 177 of 229 (616703)
05-24-2011 2:59 AM
Reply to: Message 170 by Buzsaw
05-23-2011 10:03 PM


Re: More Bad Stuff Ahead For The US
Jehovah is now plaguing America from shore to shore with rapid fire disastrous, targeting cities with his ministers, the whirlwinds, fires, etc.
I didn't know that ministers were considered a manifestation of the wrath of God. A sermon would have to be really boring to be right up there with a plague of locusts.
But in any case, there've been ministers and whirlwinds and fires since the year dot. Why do you say "Jehovah is now plaguing America from shore to shore" as though this was something different?
Now that the US is cursing Israel, Jehovah is cursing the US and doing bad things to us as a nation.
Again, what is it with the "now"? By an unremarkable noncoincidence, all these "bad things" are just the same exact bad things that happened to the US even before the founding of the modern state of Israel; and also before whatever date your hyperactive imagination has identified as the point at which the "US cursed Israel". So either God isn't particularly wrathful, or his wrath is indistinguishable from sweet bugger-all.
When we get the plague of the first-born and the rains of blood, then I shall concede that this is a manifestation of an invisible genocidal maniac who lives in the sky. Though it will still be an open question as to whether his killing spree was provoked by US foreign policy or something else entirely; if we can judge by the Bible, pretty much anything can set him off.

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Larni
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Message 178 of 229 (616706)
05-24-2011 4:42 AM
Reply to: Message 161 by Buzsaw
05-23-2011 2:27 PM


Re: More Bad Stuff Ahead For The US
He took it upon himself to read into the prophecies a whole lot of what isn't there.
How can you possibly write that with a straight face?

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frako
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Message 179 of 229 (616712)
05-24-2011 6:14 AM


HAHA so Jesus did come we unbelievers just dint see him The end comes on october 21

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riVeRraT
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Message 180 of 229 (616717)
05-24-2011 8:52 AM
Reply to: Message 119 by Taz
05-22-2011 8:03 PM


Taz writes:
These christians really could have used this money to do worldly good instead of keep preparing for heaven...
So True.
Taz writes:
This is exactly why those who deny global warming are predominantly christian. They don't care about this world. They only care about the next.
I was speaking to a hasidic Jew the other day about conservation and climate change. He seemed to have that attitude of not caring, and that God will take care of everything, He always has, and always will.
I also know a lot of Christians who might think like that (not personally). But most of the Christians I know are concerned with climate change.
I would love to seem some facts Taz. Since you said that it is predominately Christians who fell this way, where are you getting your facts from?
I believe that God put us in charge of the earth, therefor we should take care of it, be concerned with climate change, pollution, conservation, etc. I preach it as much as I can, and to the best of my abilities. But I would love to see those facts.

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