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Buzsaw Inactive Member
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Panda writes: Buzsaw writes:
You are the kind of person that would foretell the end of the world...and 5 billion years later - after the sun has died - you would cry from your grave: "See!! I said the world would end!!" Buzsaw touts the Biblical record for free and as so much has been on track with fulfillment in the past all has either been fulfilled or proves to be emerging as the prophets and Jesus fortold. Prophesies without a date are completely worthless. What do you do with the numerous ones already fulfilled that I've cited over the years. What do you do with the numerous ones emerging into fulfillment simultaneously, some never before possible. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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jar Member Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Buzsaw writes: What do you do with the numerous ones already fulfilled that I've cited over the years. What do you do with the numerous ones emerging into fulfillment simultaneously, some never before possible. You keep making claims that you have shown us a fulfilled prophecy, but how about a link to an example please. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Buzsaw Inactive Member
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GDR writes: Buzsaw writes: Don't say Jehovah is an evil god. He is the god of blessings to those who fear and acknowledge that he is god and that Israel is his nation as the Bible says. He is merciful in forewarning the nations how to be blessed and avoid the curse. Like Pharaoh and Egypt, if they ignore his warnings and pursue Israel for their demise, Jehovah will pursue them for their demise. The same goes for the US. So long as we send billions in aid to them, build up their armies and cities and undermine God's nation, parting their land, God will keep his curse promise. It takes an unbelievably twisted view of Holy Scripture to come up with a view like that Buz. You have turned a God of love, forgiveness and restorative justice into a god of vengeance and tyranny. I find it incredibly sad that someone who claims to be a follower of the Hebrew God as revealed in Jesus could hold these views. I'm sorry if I sound judgemental but it frankly it just makes me very sad. GDR, with all due respect for your sincerity, perhaps you need to be advised about who Jehovah is. He is the sovereign god of the Universe.. Israel happens to be his chosen messianic nation. Nations who mess it it get messed up by Jehovah, just as Egypt did after defying Jehovah and pursuing his people. He richly blesses all who will humble themselves before him but he, like dynamite must be feared by all. All who defy him will eventually receive his judgment and vengeance! The messianic prophecies state that all of the nations of the world and the island folk will acknowledge Jehovah, one day.
quote: BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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ZenMonkey Member (Idle past 4760 days) Posts: 428 From: Portland, OR USA Joined: |
Buzsaw writes: He is undermining the American $$ by his stimulus and spending spree. Except that all the big-ticket items were George W Bush's handiwork - the bank bailout (giving tons of money to the same people who wrecked the economy in the first place), the stimulus (I know that my $300 helped turn the economy around), and two illegal wars. All done under the Bush administration. Do you remember that in 2000 the topic of the day was how to spend the surplus that was the legacy of the Clinton administration? The debt wasn't gone, but the deficit had turned into a surplus. That lasted all of 10 months, until Dick "Deficits Don't Matter" Cheney and W started spending money like drunk sailors. There's the real conspiracy. The Republican "Starve The Beast" strategy was to blow the budget, and then use that as an excuse to gut all the programs that restricted the rich, helped the poor and middle class, or made the fundies mad. And it has worked. Take a look at the following chart:
Need I spell it out for you? I guess I must. Note how the curve starts to zoom upward under Reagan and Bush Sr., slows down under Clinton, and then shoots the moon once Bush Jr. gets his hands on the steering wheel. It takes some real dedication to go from $6 trillion dollars to over $10 trillion in the space of just 8 years, but they did it. Or in other words:
Your beliefs do not effect reality and evidently reality does not effect your beliefs. -Theodoric Reality has a well-known liberal bias.-Steven Colbert I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it.- John Stuart Mill
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
What do you do with the numerous ones already fulfilled that I've cited over the years. What do you do with the numerous ones emerging into fulfillment simultaneously, some never before possible. Well, I suppose we could put them the file drawer along with all the fulfillments of those same prophesies as told by the incredibly prescient Buzsaws' in the last generation and the same ones from the Buzsaw's of the generation prior to that and ... well, you know it does go back quite a while. Been a whole lot of Buzsaws over the centuries. Kind of a christian tradition on a generational level. That way we can compare them with the incredibly prescient Buzsaws' prophesy fulfillments in the next few dozen or so generations before we finally pitch them all, along with christianity, into the dustbin.
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GDR Member Posts: 6223 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 3.9 |
Buzsaw writes: GDR, with all due respect for your sincerity, perhaps you need to be advised about who Jehovah is. He is the sovereign god of the Universe.. Israel happens to be his chosen messianic nation. Nations who mess it it get messed up by Jehovah, just as Egypt did after defying Jehovah and pursuing his people. He richly blesses all who will humble themselves before him but he, like dynamite must be feared by all. All who defy him will eventually receive his judgment and vengeance! Let's start with your the last sentence Buz.
quote: That is one of the main points that you are missing.We have two covenants. Jesus was the fulfillment of the first covenant. Mark 1: quote: Matthew 26
quote: Luke in Chap 21 relates of Jesus saying that all things that were written will be finally fulfilled because the Israelites would not follow his way of peace and would be devastated by Roman armies.
quote: And from Matthew 5
quote: This is from the Merriam-Webster Dictionary
quote: This is the whole meaning of what Jesus was about. The Hebrew Scriptures had been fulfilled. The anointed one, the Messiah had finally come, and more that that Yahweh had returned to His people in the man Jesus and established the Messiah as King. The problem for the Israelites was that they all hoped that the Messiah would lead them in victory over their enemies and God himself or His representative would be made King and the Temple would be restored and Yahweh would return to the Temple. Jesus' message was yes, but it doesn't look like that. The Scriptures have all been fulfilled, completed and now we move on to the New Covenant. Jesus took on evil both in the desert and on the cross and defeated it. It wasn't the Romans who were the enemy but evil itself. The Temple was being restored in Him. People no longer had to go and make sacrifices at the Temple to be forgiven of their sins. Jesus forgave sins on the spot, saying I desire mercy not sacrifice. This is in Matthew 13: (My highlight.)
quote: Matthew 24
quote: John 12
quote: This is critical to the whole Christian message. The laws and prophets of the Hebrew Scriptures were fulfilled in Jesus. They were complete. Jesus brought a new covenant: a new era. The old was complete. Jesus was the turning point in human history. He said this in John 13:
quote: How does this look in practice. Matthew 5:
quote: Paul writes this in Romans 12:
quote: The promised land is no longer just Israel. The promised land is now the world. The world is not to be taken over in our own power. The world is to be governed and ruled by a loving, servant and forgiving King through what are supposed to be His loving, servant and forgiving people empowered by His Holy Spirit. (Not doing too well in this department are we. ) Israel is today a secular country ruled by a secular government. The problems in the Middle East are political. Sure there are religious overtones but the problem is political. It is the same problem that existed throughout human history. It is the lust for power. It's all in the Old Testament and Jesus came to say that they had the model wrong. God's way of ruling is through love and servant hood, and we are being called to do that for the entire world, not just Israel. That is the model Jesus has given us for all mankind. Edited by GDR, : No reason given. Everybody is entitled to my opinion.
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Trae Member (Idle past 4556 days) Posts: 442 From: Fremont, CA, USA Joined: |
So is Jesus in a witness protection program? Wouldn't the logical conclusion of Camping being correct that if Jesus is back he's hiding?
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Trae Member (Idle past 4556 days) Posts: 442 From: Fremont, CA, USA Joined: |
Catholic Scientist writes:
I think he believes it. He’s 89 and that is literally a lifetime of reinforcement. Really the major difference I see between him and so many others is that he believes he has a date. Imagine the ripple if it appeared to Christians that prophesies on their personal checklist had happen. Imagine if the temple were rebuilt. Does anybody think that he actually believes in all this, or do you just think he's straight-up lying? He seems sane, so.... Conmen don’t usually spend the large bulk of money on advertising.
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined: |
I truly believe that Obama shares the desire of the Muslim nations for Israel's demise. That's pretty obvious. No, that's completely made up. He's continued the same policies, the same financial aid, the same military support, the same speeches of support as all the previous US presidents. "Obvious", you say? Here's how the Arabs are taking it:
Obama to Israel: Take whatever you want ... In his latest speech, Obama's thinly veiled rhetoric proves he will do anything to satisfy his pro-Israel voter base ... Obama's lip service to Palestinian "self-determination" is nothing more than vacuous rhetoric - as he clearly implied that Israeli interests, especially its security, remain the top priority for American foreign policy in the region. It's "obvious" to them that he's rabidly pro-Israeli. The minor nuances between his support for Israel and yours are so fine that they would find them undetectable.
Here's another such article. It's titled: "Emperor Obama versus the Arab people", which gives you its flavor if you don't care to read it. Meanwhile you, sharing the same hysteria and paranoia as your Muslim fundamentalist counterparts, find it "obvious" that he "shares the desire of the Muslim nations for Israel's demise". What seems rather more obvious is that nuts and extremists on both sides hate him; which suggests to me that he's doing something right.
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Trae Member (Idle past 4556 days) Posts: 442 From: Fremont, CA, USA Joined: |
I don’t know that you meant that photo to be accurate, but even without knowing its providence, as a former digital imaging professional, I can say with a high degree of confidence it is a fake.
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Trae Member (Idle past 4556 days) Posts: 442 From: Fremont, CA, USA Joined: |
Buzsaw writes:
How was Rome ‘messed up by Jehovah’?
GDR, with all due respect for your sincerity, perhaps you need to be advised about who Jehovah is. He is the sovereign god of the Universe.. Israel happens to be his chosen messianic nation. Nations who mess it it get messed up by Jehovah, just as Egypt did after defying Jehovah and pursuing his people. He richly blesses all who will humble themselves before him but he, like dynamite must be feared by all. All who defy him will eventually receive his judgment and vengeance!
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Taz Member (Idle past 3541 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Camping doomsday prediction caused suicide of teenage girl
So... camping gonna take responsibility for her?
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Your source is? Here's video of George Bush. He says: "The point of departure for permanent status negotiations to realise this vision seems clear. There should be an end to the occupation that began in 1967". He then goes on to say that the 1949 borders should also be revised "to ensure that the Palestinian state is viable". I must have missed the outcry from you and your chums when the white President with the WASP name said it.
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined: |
I don’t know that you meant that photo to be accurate, but even without knowing its providence, as a former digital imaging professional, I can say with a high degree of confidence it is a fake. I'm not so sure. Here's CNN's video of Bush kissing Abdullah. It can't be the same incident, Bush is wearing a different tie, but my point is why would anyone fake a photograph of something that has actually happened, and of which to judge from the clicking of cameras in the video there must be about a jillion actual photographs, not to mention the video itself? And here's video of yet another kiss. Faking a photograph of Bush kissing Abdullah would therefore be a complete waste of time.
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frako Member Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
Whats running on just about every atheists mind and no Christian gets it.
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