jar,after exchange with old member RiverRat writes:
It is not unusual to find that Americans are totally clueless about the US and it's laws, structure and responsibilities.
It is also not unusual to find that the very people that created the media and news mess that exists in the US also seem unaware that they were the very people that created the problem.
This is now 2017, long after Riverrat left the Forum and yet the same issues are perhaps even more important today than we were aware back then.
Today is June 5th, 2017---and i just awoke from a lucid dream--one of those inner sub-conscious scramblers. Wonder of wonders, what was on my mind? None other than EvC, Donald Trump, fake news, etc etc etc....
The stuff Faith argues in support of (which
is her freedom of speech, after all!)
Now, I have no idea why I awoke thinking practically the opposite of what I usually think. I found (and find) myself trying to defend the possible actions of Donald Trump. And don't get me wrong. I am a moderate. I have never been against globalism nor the liberal agenda...though I DID always want what was ultimately best for Phat regardless of WHO was in power. I have feared the conservative ultra-nationalism of Trump and the Tea Party supporters...who are in my opinion looking after their OWN selves and their OWN kids at the expense of the common global good.
So I woke up and found a spot to air my opinion on EvC at 308 am. Not surprisingly, I found a thread that YOU started, jar. I am grateful to you for sharing your early testimony about learning how to think and ask questions, for it has been in my mind ever since. You also emphasized responsibilities over rights, and the US pulling out of the Paris agreement, though symbolic, seemed to me to be more of a Trump crowd pleaser and emphasis of Tea Party Rights and not so much Responsibilities.
Allow me to think like the other side thinks, if i am able.
Problem: Trump flies foreign dignitaries to his own Mar-A-Lago resort on a regular basis and profits off of the transaction.
Hypothetical Trump Response: "Oh please! Obama and the liberals have their own group of globalist cronies and governments that are tacitly supported. The difference which irks a lot of people is that I (Hypo Trump) am supporting myself and other wealthy Americans rather than wealthy Leftist foreigners. Would you rather spend government money to support people whom cannot possibly help you or would you rather keep the money in the family?"
Now...for the record, I dont agree with Faith that leftists are all globalist and anti nationalist...nor that globalism is totally evil while US nationalism keeps the money in the "family". I DO believe that money itself is going to come under some intense revision in our future, and I would wager that Trump also knows this and perhaps would even blame the "globalist agenda" for attempting to level the playing field.
The battle for hearts, minds, and intelligence also includes a global battle for control of assets and wealth. As you know, I don't prefer to be poor under any circumstance...no matter how many more get fed due to my sacrifice. (Pray for me regarding this inner fear and selfishness)
After all, as you once told me, I am part of the problem in that I cared not to ask questions nor accept responsibility for improving the system. I'll admit that you were correct, jar.
Perhaps as we move forward in this topic of what real and fake news actually is, we can all learn to ask questions and attempt to defend our arguments by imagining how our opponents think.
Here are some questions:
1) Why does Trump shun traditional media when it confronts him? Why is his open motive to placate his base of support? WHO is Trumps base of support? What type of people are they, by and large?
2) What are the implications of "keeping it in the family"? WHO is the family? Is it US Nationals? Is it wise to attempt to take care of ourselves first before being cooperative with the rest of the world?
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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