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jar Member  Posts: 31180 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
It has nothing to do with whether or not humans should be special; all things are special. Cockroaches have been around long before humans existed and will be around long after humans have ceased to exist. And yes, actually I think beaver dams are more amazing than skyscrapers. You try building a beaver dam with just your teeth and no tools.
Of course they made the story up and all of the evidence supports that conclusion. There is a reason none of the accounts are the same and that the earliest accounts don't speak of that at all.
I can't believe you even asked that. Evidence and the existence of evidence can be confirmed regardless of anyone's belief system. Evidence can be tested against logic, reason and reality. Faith though is irrational, unreasonable, illogical and not testable except to the extent you can possibly test to see if someone really believes something. You cannot test whether faith is actually justified. My Sister's Website: Rose Hill Studios
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Theodoric Member  Posts: 6491 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.5 |
That's convenient isn't it.
Bullshit. Support your assertion or retract. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 6491 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.5 |
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Tangle Member  Posts: 7012 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.8 |
Faith tells us absolutely nothing about what is correct. Who is right the Hindu or the Christian? Always this need from believers to make faith eqivalent to knowledge...... Evidence points to the best answers and increases our knowledge. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Thugpreacha Member  Posts: 12683 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Seeing how this is a science forum, I will defer to you and Theodoric regarding evidence...although I still ascribe to the philosophy that nothing happens "by chance." Edited by Phat, : No reason given. Edited by Phat, : fixed quote Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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ringo Member  Posts: 17152 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
Does the Pope wish there was no God but since there is he might as well get on His good side? You seem to have a very low opinion of faith - and of a god who would be fooled by people who don't want to believe in him.
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Tangle Member Posts: 7012 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.8 |
Fixed.
Coin toss, dice roll......? Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Thugpreacha Member Posts: 12683 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Did someone toss the coin and/or throw the dice or did they simply toss themselves? Edited by Phat, : No reason given. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Tangle Member Posts: 7012 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.8 |
quote: Coin toss p=.5 If you think differently you're about to lose a lot of money. quote: Sometimes you worry me Phat. What on earth do you mean? Have you been smoking that funny stuff again? Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Thugpreacha Member Posts: 12683 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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jar Member Posts: 31180 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 2.7
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Come on Phat. You cannot seriously think that. Do scientists not calculate the probability of a given asteroid or comet hitting the earth; the probability of meteor showers over a given location and period of time; of accurately reaching a given cosmic object ... My Sister's Website: Rose Hill Studios
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Thugpreacha Member Posts: 12683 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Do they calculate the speed of the Big Bang Expansion? Do they have any way to calculate at what point in time The Bang occurred? The Bible tells us "In The Beginning"...was this simply akin to a storyteller saying "Once Upon A Time...."? Or is "15 billion years ago" little more than a guess? Edited by Phat, : No reason given. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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jar Member Posts: 31180 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
Yes, including when our own sun will expand and destroy the Earth. Yes, they have calculated the speed of the Big Bang Expansion and even the speed of the current universal expansion. Yes, they have calculated at what point of time the Big Bang happened.
15 Billion years is far more than a guess. My Sister's Website: Rose Hill Studios
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Tangle Member Posts: 7012 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.8 |
You can calculate probability on anything with enough information. But in any case, none of this seems relevant to anything....? Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Thugpreacha Member Posts: 12683 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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