Taz writes:
Jaderis writes:
You made no distinction between criminals until later when you were called on your own criminal offenses.
This is getting old. Speeding is not a criminal offense. It is spelled out very clearly in the law book.
Please read through my posts again. Driving 7 over the speed limit is not a criminal offense by any stretch of imagination.
Isn't there someone else you can go and pester? This nitpicking by law dummies such as yourself is getting old.
The original argument by you was "not over 10" mph. When does violating the law at the expense of others concern you?
If you don't believe me, just contact your sheriff office or even lawyer and try to make the argument that driving 7 over is a criminal offense. Try to count how many minutes they will laugh into your face.
Cops seem to be ok with that, but then why have a limit in the first place? Personally, I don't agree with the limit in some places, but I can see why it is there in most places. It is there to inhibit drivers from going too fast to react to potential obstacles (ie potential fatalities..."threat of harm")
Ignoring the limit and thinking that you are immune to the dangers posed by going too fast is elevating yourself above the law. Period. Yes, it is arbitrary, but so is the legal driving age.
(1) The conversation between crash and I was dealing with driving 7 over, not 20 or 30 over.
So you can say with absolute certainty that you have never gone more than 7 over the limit? Why even that?
(2) It requires several very specific combination of traffic offenses for it to be labeled as reckless driving. My god, did everyone just become a damn law scholar over night?
I'm sorry...I was only speaking about the law from the state where I grew up (Florida) and having friends convicted of it for "Any person who drives any vehicle in willful or wanton disregard for the safety of persons or property is guilty of reckless driving."
For going more than 20 mph over the limit. Less in a construction or school zone.
How is that different than someone brandishing a knife or a gun and threatening harm and not actually hurting anybody, but being charged with assault (in FL)?
(3) As I have been trying to explain to crashfrog all this time, which crash has refused to acknowledge (aka lie), there are varying levels of offenses and varying levels of loopholes. Crash was trying to make the point that ALL offenses are equal. Meaning going just 1 mph over the speed limit is a criminal offense. Despite me trying to convince him that going 1 over isn't a criminal offense, he's been pretending not to see my point. Please tell me you're not going to play the same silly game.
You said you hated people who take advantage of loopholes, but you also failed to qualify which loopholes are acceptable and which are not.
I see you also failed to address similar questions in my last post. You didn't address my questions of levels of offense at all.
Which criminals should go to your island?
Anyway, if you're going to jump in our conversation, at least try to read what we've said so far. Since I've asked you nicely to do this, anything else you say that's not accurate I will assume to be a lie. That makes you a liar. So, please, don't try to play crash's game with me.
I wasn't aware that there were private conversations on this forum. I addressed all of your points in that post. You failed to do the same...I hope you don't consider lies of omission actual lies.
Taz writes:
Jaderis writes:
You say that we laypeople don't understand what you are trying to convey and you now regret revealing the intricacies of the police mind to the civvies, but we understand all too well. The law is only the law when LEO's say it is, right? And that means that those who enforce the law are above it (discounting the most egregious crimes....sometimes).
The only regret I feel is mentioning something I knew you wouldn't understand.
Please point out to me where I said the law is only the law when LEO's say so. Yes, I did say that there are certain traffic laws that are at the discretion of LEO's and these laws are spelled out very specifically. For example, technically, a cop could pull you over and give you a ticket for going over the line twice. No cop I know of will do this, and the law does specifically say that it is at the discretion of the police. Now, if a person is arrested for DUI, then among his tickets will be one for improper lane usage (going over the line twice or more).
Again, did everyone just become a liar and a law scholar? Do you feel comfortable lying like this?
Did you? Do you?
I said that there are some laws that LEO's leave up to themselves to enforce and I also implied that sometimes certain laws are enforced for some people that are not enforced for others (also implying my agreement with Crash that this often coincides with laws that are convenient for cops to ignore).
Do you deny this?
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