Has the bias made this forum essentially irrelevant?

Dawn Bertot writes:Thats the point percy, they werent debating creationism or ID as it is, they were debating, your misguided interpretation of those topics and responding to strawmen interpretations of fallcious arguments.If they had used my preparation, as you put it, the results would have been much different. My preparation has to do with simple rational and understanding. The secular fundamentalist evolutionist seeks to complicate its simplicity, to confuse not only the argument but simple minded personsAs youve seen those tactics dont work with the basic rational approachOnce youve frustrated not refuted, the simplicty of what is involved, a person can make a case for anythingDover and the predecessors started and finished in the wrong direction. this coupled with the fact that your side baited them in that direction, should be the only chilling fact to anyoneListen up Pecry. Most believers are not like Buz, ICANT myself and others. The reason you have us here and not a host of others is due to the fact that they do not see a need to debate the obvious. they look on you fellas as a curiousity, smile politely and move on. You know the ole, you shouldnt argue with a foolits not that youve won any arguments, its simply that there is no need to argue it past a certain pointYou really should think about doing it pubically, that is if you really think you have a case about ID and creationism and it not beign taught as scienceDawn Bertot

GDR writes:It seems to me that this post is the reason there is so little debate from the creationist side. Using the terms dumb, stupid etc as part of an argument and then get a 5 rating for it, outlines the problem perfectly.

GDR writes:Why have this forum if creationism is not a valid point of view?

Bolder-dash writes:Yea right.And you immediately jumping on Dawn and saying that she didn't address the topic, while at the same time allowing others to call her ***, ill informed and illiterate without even batting an eye, has absolutely nothing to do with creationists leaving this site!And we are the irrational ones? Right

We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as one theory among others is to deliberately embrace scientific *** and transmit such *** to our children. We believe that among God’s good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator. To argue that God’s loving plan of salvation for humanity precludes the full employment of the God-given faculty of reason is to attempt to limit God, an act of hubris. We urge school board members to preserve the integrity of the science curriculum by affirming the teaching of the theory of evolution as a core component of human knowledge. We ask that science remain science and that religion remain religion, two very different, but complementary, forms of truth.

GDR writes:I'm saying the same thing over and over. I agree that their posts should be countered. All I'm saying is that they should be countered respectfully and I am trying to give the answer to the problem that was presented in the OP, which is the fact that there are few creationists left on this site.For that matter, I can go back and find all sorts of threads where there were absolutely zero posts by creationists, but where there were several posts in a row that gratuitously ridiculed creationists. What is the point of that?

Buzsaw writes:Secularistic ToE and BB theory has it's claws deeply embedded in the schools. What are you talking about? Creationism has been outlawed from the schools, by and large, compared to what it was like during the days of our founders and most of the US's history.