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Coyote
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Message 114 of 355 (617586)
05-29-2011 9:36 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by Dawn Bertot
05-29-2011 8:50 PM


Re: Still no method or model.
The direct answer to your question is that ID employs the exact same method as the naturalist. Indeed, and pay close attention, how in the world could you or I have a different method, when are both simple humans beings exploring and examining the same materials
Easy! ID is based on the need to make fundamentalist Christianity appear to be a science, while science really is a science.
ID was designed specifically to get around a Supreme Court decision. It is the illegitimate grandchild of creationism and the illegitimate child of creation "science."
It was designed to come up with one specific conclusion no matter what! It cannot, and will not, disagree with fundamentalist Christians' view of religion.
Science, on the other hand, goes where the evidence leads.
The methods are not just different, they are diametrically opposed.
it is simply an impossiblity for you or I to have a different methodology. We are just humans looking at things from the exact same perspective.
False.
Fundamentalist Christians look at things from about 180 differently than do scientists. Just look at the Statements of Faith of the various creationist websites to see the difference.
Here's the AIG Statement of Faith. See any science in there? Note the little tidbit at the end: "By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the scriptural record."
That is not looking at things from the same perspective that science uses.
Edited by Coyote, : Speeling

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Coyote
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Message 165 of 355 (617723)
05-30-2011 11:40 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by Bolder-dash
05-30-2011 11:09 PM


Re: Diminished Creationist Participation
Your side CAN NOT provide evidence for the ToE.
More precisely, we can not provide evidence for the ToE that creationists will accept.
That's not a very important criterion as these things go, now is it, considering that the rest of the world has no problem with the ToE?

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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