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marc9000
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Message 81 of 355 (617525)
05-29-2011 4:45 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by Percy
05-29-2011 9:50 AM


Re: Diminished Creationist Participation
While it is true that creationists are unable to support one another in discussion threads because they all believe different things (e.g., Intellen: Jesus Christ is the intelligent designer; Marc9000: Intelligent design is not supernatural), this has been true since before this website began in early 2001, so I don't think that's a factor in the diminished creationist participation.
I don't think it should automatically be assumed that because creationists don't usually support each other in these debates, it means they are unable to. I have often watched other creationists do battle with a half dozen or a dozen opponents, and don't join because I think they're doing just fine without me. And there is an intimidation factor in getting involved - two creationists against a group can give the group still another way to distort and side-track the discussion, by ridiculing that pairing alone, or teeing off on some minor thing the two creationists disagree on. Creationist number 1 may actually not appreciate the help, creationists are often confident enough in themselves to work alone.
As far as your comparison to myself and Intellen; we don't necessarily have different beliefs, but we may have different ideas about how they should be applied politically. I believe that God the Father is the intelligent designer (Jesus Christ? - close enough) but I think the scientific discipline of Intelligent Design can be explored without getting near that belief. The same way that evolutionists believe that evolution can be explored without their personal atheist beliefs being involved.

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marc9000
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Message 83 of 355 (617528)
05-29-2011 4:52 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by GDR
05-29-2011 1:59 PM


I think that the reason that I see the problem as coming more from the other side, is that there are so many more of them. When one of the few creationists venture out there are several from the other side who pile on with a bit of "we've got a live one here" attitude.
Exactly right, and then (I've recently been accused of) Gish Gallop as a debating method;
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Gish has been characterized as using a rapid-fire approach during a debate, presenting arguments and changing topics very quickly.
The height of irony, don't you think?

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marc9000
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Message 98 of 355 (617565)
05-29-2011 7:09 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by crashfrog
05-29-2011 5:22 PM


Marc, I've continually reminded you that you're free to ask that replies to you be limited to whatever participants you like, and you can go so far as to request a Great Debate thread with any participant or participants of your choice, where others than those you nominate are specifically enjoined from responding to you.
This thread is about the lack of creationist posters here. I was giving my reasons why I believe that is. There's no need for you to be angry.
Is there some reason you detest "piling on" so much,
You didn't read what I wrote. Let's try it again;
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creationists are often confident enough in themselves to work alone.
There's no "detest" in what I wrote in this particular thread.
but you refuse to avail yourself of any of the options that would eliminate the problem? Can you explain this inconsistent behavior?
Two weeks ago, did you notice in my message 77 of this thread that you participated in where I asked dwise1 for a one on one, and he refused? Please try to keep up.

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