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Tangle
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Message 235 of 262 (724684)
04-19-2014 2:06 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by GDR
04-18-2014 9:02 PM


Re: Kill The QM Philosopher
GDR writes:
Or you can look over that chasm of ignorance and say that there is no god, (atheism), or opt out and say as there is insufficient evidence and and and as a result you can't choose either option, (agnostic).
If you are claiming to be an atheist you are choosing to disbelieve in any deity whether it is Zeus or the Christian God. Without an area of ignorance there is no place for atheism.
Why do the religious have so much trouble understanding this? It's been explained over and over, but somehow they have to equate it to their own beliefs.
An atheist does not believe that there is a god or gods. That's it, nothing at all else. They don't substitute that lack of belief with something else, not science, not ignorance not stamp collecting - nothing.
Think about what you believe about Father Christmas, a pleasant myth that excites children and gets families together at a particular time in a year. That's what an atheist thinks about your god.
Have you got that idea? Please accept it for what it is, a non belief in God. Don't put any other meaning on it and don't assume you can equate it to any way that you might think about your God. The next time you try to tell us what we think, think of how you feel about the tooth fairy or leprechauns. That way you won't keep making the mistake that you're making again and again. Atheists find your beliefs literally - that's literally - as absurd as a belief in fairies and do not have to go further with the idea than that.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 245 of 262 (724806)
04-21-2014 4:03 AM
Reply to: Message 239 by GDR
04-20-2014 6:31 PM


Re: Kill The QM Philosopher
GDR writes:
I know that unequivocally that the tooth fairy does not exist so presumably you believe unequivocally that God doesn't exist making you a 7 on Dawkin's scale which flies in the face of what oni claims.
There is another step.
I know unequivocally (7) that there is no religious God of the type you believe and that is true of all atheists. We say that Jesus/Vishnu/Thor=tooth fairy.
But I can not ever know that there is no god. That's just trivially true and also irrelevant.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 255 of 262 (724893)
04-22-2014 6:34 AM
Reply to: Message 251 by GDR
04-21-2014 10:24 PM


Re: Kill The QM Philosopher
GDR writes:
I'm not quite sure that you can unequivocally know that.
Because we know that religions are man made and that there is no evidence to support any of their claims. I assume you have no problem saying that Poseidon never existed?

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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