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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: So you want people to stop telling the truth and pretend that crap that you just made up is real science.
quote: Again, you want people to prefer your inventions to the truth. And accept your opinions no matter how poorly-reasoned.
quote: Indeed, it is a case which supports my reading.
quote: As does this. You cannot give a valid reason why the Flood should have the effects you claim. It is nothing but invention.
quote: By which you mean that "the pack" accept the opinions of leading, expert, scientists over that of some ignorant guy on the internet. This would seem to be a rational position.
quote: No, it wasn't. That was the misrepresentation you kept appealing to.
quote: And you managed a draw because you were fortunate enough to have a weak opponent. Despite the fact that your assertion is actually false.
quote: But you did lose. The length of the debate was governed only by your willingness to go on boasting nonsense. That only proves your unwillingness to accept defeat.
quote: By which you mean that they should accept your fabrications as fact.That isn't going to happen, and it shouldn't happen. quote: Of course you are telling untruths here. Moller is NOT renowned as a marine scientist. The existence of the coral forms has generally been accepted. What has NOT been accepted is the assertion that the coral forms were built around ancient Egyptian chariot wheels. And that is because the evidence that would allow us to conclude that has not been presented. Apparently the "renowned marine biologist" can't even give us the growth rates for the coral in question.... Look, there's no point getting frustrated because people prefer facts and sound reasoning to your imaginings. That's the way it has to be on ANY forum which tries to get to the truth. So stop whining and demanding that the forum must be biased in your favour. Accept your (many) defeats and move on. Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: In other words you assume that all truth is relative so that well-established science is on a par with some indefensible nonsense you just made up. Of course I disagree.
quote: Which only means that they attack science because it comes to conclusions they don't like.
quote: As usual when you say that it is "debatable" you mean that you refuse to admit that you are wrong. And if you cannot understand a position, you cannot know that it is "lacking logic". In short this is more of the same, whining that people do not unquestionably accept your silly opinions.
quote: Of course I am assuming a basically honest reader rather than someone who unquestioningly worships you.
quote: No, I don't. ALL of these are better supported than your opinion, which relies only on "Buzsaw says so". The singularity - assuming you mean the state at the start of the Big Bang = is obtained by applying known science. Naturalistic abiogenesis is not cited as a fact although we have evidence to support the idea that it happened and no better explanation of life on Earth. The multiverse is cited only as a possibility that is consistent with known science. None of these defy logic or thermodynamics. If you could actually give a real valid mechanism by which the Flood would consistently mess up all the dating mechanisms I would admit that you have a point, But you don't even really try.
quote: All unsubstantiated accusations.
quote: In fact counter-arguments were given which you could not address.
quote: Sp what do you mean by "allowing your perspective", if not agreeing with your false assertions ? Do you mean that disagreement should be censored ? If you put your claims out for debate or tender them as evidence then we MUST be free to disagree and even to show that they are false. You refer back to the Exodus thread where I personally debunked much of your "evidence" and showed that the rest was of no real value in supporting the Exodus myth. And that is simple, absolute truth. All you are complaining about is the fact that Admin wouldn't let you drag out the thread uselessly by repeating the same assertions after they had been dealt with. Since you dishonestly attempt to use the length of the thread to argue that you were doing well (when you were only dragging it out to avoid accepting defeat) Admin's actions seem quite appropriate. Certainly they were directed to making progress in the discussion. The fact that you diid not want the discussion to progress because your case had been shattered is irrelevant.
quote: That's simply a lie. Moller's speciality is Environmental Medicine.
quote: All the "evidences" were shown to be either false, questionable and/or had no clear connection to the Exodus. That is simple fact.
quote: Of course you are whining. You are attacking your opponents because you were badly defeated in a debate. You are complaining that your assertions are not unquestioningly believed. You are complaining that you are expected to produce real evidence for your claims when they venture into the domain of science. How is any of that anything but whining ?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Chuck, you are mixing three different things here. 1) My point is that I should prefer the opinions of leading experts to those of Buzsaw, who is NOT a "leading Creation Scientist" at all (and in fact he Is prepared to attack "Creation Scientists" too, for not agreeing with him) 2) Being a "leading Creation Scientist" does not confer any special expertise in any field of science, let alone all of them. It does, however, indicate a strong bias in favour of YEC beliefs. 3) Steve Austin has actual qualifications and publications in geology and these - not his position within "Creation Science" represent his only claim to scientific authority. I hope that you can see that there is a big difference between dismissing Buzsaw's views on cosmology out of hand and doing the same to Steve Austin's claims about geology. However, I would put it to you that without an actual discussion of Steve Austin's claims, it would still be rational to prefer the mainstream position. Steve Austin is not especially distinguished within geology. There are strong grounds to think that he is heavily biased in favour of the YEC view. Why then should we prefer his view over that of the many people as well or better qualified, with less bias ? That said, if you wish to open a topic to discuss Steve Austin's flood evidence, please go ahead. The evidence is always more important than credentials.
OFF TOPIC - Please Do Not Respond to this message by continuing in this vein. AdminPD Edited by PaulK, : No reason given. Edited by AdminPD, : Warning
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Interestingly I would say that you have the situation pretty much backwards.
(As a personal note, I find IC and CSI/TDI pretty easy to understand. But nobody who truly understood would try to use either as arguments against evolution or for design in biology) I think dog piling is more due to the relative shortage of creationists here (most prefer sites rigged in their favour - and every so often we see demands to rig this site in their favour, too). And also due to the fact that many creationist arguments are widely known to be erroneous, so many people feel capable of responding.
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