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Taq
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Message 69 of 89 (621197)
06-24-2011 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Panda
06-06-2011 9:54 AM


If you are new to this forum, then it can be quite a shock to the system to see the level of detailed knowledge that is required to debate here.
I fear that 'dog piling' would scare people off before they have a chance to up their game.
It is intimidating, but I don't see less information as the solution. A better solution might be concise replies that do not overlap with previous posts. We should all strive to read all the replies to a given message and try to not repeat what others have said. Of course, an ideal world is always different from the real world.
I think we can forget who our audience is. Creationists have often come from websites that have very concise and easy to understand "refutations" of evolution. Ignoring for the moment that these refutations are often misguided, there is one theme that we should keep in mind. There is a tendency for humans to trust easy to understand explanations more than complex and opaque explanations. Also, when we see someone giving a long and drawn out explanation with many twists and turns we suspect that they are trying to hide something. While this may not be the truth, this is one of the biases we have to deal with.
For example, "If humans evolved from apes, why are there still apes" is a very easy to understand argument. Taxonomy, phylogenetics, and cladistics is not easy to understand, much less how humans fit into these classifications and how evolution produces these relationships. We are asking creationists to move away from something that is easy to understand to something that is, at first glance, impossible to understand. Dog piling only worsens the problem.

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Message 76 of 89 (621650)
06-27-2011 5:44 PM
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06-25-2011 1:24 AM


I would also like to add to what Taq had said concerning Dog Piling. It was a well thought out comment.
If this was so perhaps you could have responded with a well thought out comment of your own instead of mocking my own.
For example, " Where did Cain's wife come from if they were all related" is a very easy to understand argument. Irreducible complexity, specified complexity , and The design inference is not easy to understand, much less how humans fit into these classifications and how Creationism produces these relationships. We are asking evolutionsists to move away from something that is easy to understand to something that is, at first glance, impossible to understand. Dog piling only worsens the problem.
Actually, I tend to point to transitional fossils and genetic markers to demonstrate shared ancestry between humans and other apes. I really don't see biblical semantics as a refutation of creationism. Also, I have yet to see any creationist attempt to related ID and CSI to cladistics and the nested hierarchy of life. If anything, creationists ignore this evidence.
So even in your mocking, you failed to truly understand the issue at hand. If anything, our discussion of geology in other forums is a much better example. In those threads you have humbly noted your lack of knowledge as it relates to geology, and things have gone much better in those threads.
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