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Author Topic:   My HUGE problem with creationist thinking (re: Which version of creationism)
Pressie
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Message 111 of 336 (620107)
06-14-2011 6:51 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by Mazzy
06-13-2011 11:14 PM


Mazzy writes:

So really, there is no problem for me here. Where I have a problem is theory being taught as fact, which I believe is a misleading representation of the status quo.

Oh, really? Do you also have a problem when they teach gravity as fact to you? Did they mislead you when they taught gravity as fact and was this also a misleading representation of the status quo?

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Pressie
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Message 112 of 336 (620111)
06-14-2011 7:34 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by Mazzy
06-13-2011 11:54 PM


Re: Evolved Warts
Mazzy writes:

Here is a new wart. You remember Ardi, the famous human relative that threw brain size tied to bipedal walking and knucklewalking ancestry in the bin.
Well some researchers now do not think Ardi is human at all but an early representative of the African great ape.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=was-ar.

I think that you are deliberately misleading the readers here when you state that. No real scientist has ever stated that Ardi was human. Could you provide a link to any scientists that’s ever described Ardi as human?

What scientists have stated is that they think that Ardi is a recent human relative.


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Pressie
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Message 113 of 336 (620117)
06-14-2011 8:09 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by Mazzy
06-13-2011 11:54 PM


Re: Evolved Warts
Mazzy writes:

It is not about teaching any creation model as a fact either.

Goddidit is not a model.

Mazzy writes:

It is about presenting the basis for all sides and the refutes also in a balanced way, so the community can choose individually for themselves how much weight they place on any model and if TOE is actually based on science.

So, your proposal is basically that if any crackpot claims that the earth is flat, it should also be considered people in the street?

I don’t think you realize that scientific facts are not decided by people in the streets, but by scientists following the scientific method.

You know, what is accepted as a fact is that 1 plus 1 equals 2. If some crackpot decides that 1 plus 1 equals 3, it won’t be discussed as maths in any maths classroom, but will just be laughed off. You propose that this crackpot should be given equal time in maths classrooms with the findings of real mathematicians who know what they are doing.

Then you also propose that another crackpot who decides that 1 plus 1 equals 4 should also be given equal time, so that the community can choose individually for themselves what the answer is.

People go to school to get educated in the real world, not to decide which crackpot is ‘right’.

In biology, the theory of evolution is accepted as a scientific fact. Just like 1 plus 1 equals 2 is accepted as a fact in maths. Anyone who differs from facts, can only be a crackpot. No need to consider the rantings of crazy people.


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