My HUGE problem with creationist thinking (re: Which version of creationism)

Hi All!The theory of evolution is based entirely on empirical observation. In this way, evolution, is an objective explanation of why life is the way that it is.There are, however, many different theories of creation. The Christian religion has their belief which is different from the Muslim belief which is different from the North American First Nation's beliefs and so on and so on.If creation is to be taught in the education system, whose version of creation should be taught? You certainly cannot teach ALL the thousands of different versions as truth. The very nature of teaching creation implies that there is only one version of creation.If you teach one version of creation over a different version of creation, is this not racist? Who decides whose culture is valid and whose is invalid?kind regards,AcalephaEdited by Adminnemooseus, : Added the "(re: Which version of creationism)" to topic title.

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The reason I chose the graphic of the DNA molecule was because I felt it represented the idea of the gene and evolution. It was also a pretty picture. I respectfully disagree with your opinion that the graphic was not relevant to my post.kind regardsAcalepha

Thread copied here from the My HUGE problem with creationist thinking. thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.

Many have asked which one, usually to no avail or a bs answer. I dont think it would be racist to discount any religion over another though, I would venture to say that there are lots of people from all races who practice most mainstream religions. I feel this is the perfect example of why creation should never be taught in schools, at least not as science. As another course of study I feel that is best left to college level courses, comparative religion, or theology...ect. Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given.Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given.

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The same issue arises whenever they want to post the Ten Commandments in classroom. Because of the different ways you can combine or split what's in those verses, the Jews, Catholics, and Protestants all have different versions. So which version is the government supposed to choose and hence endorse that particular religion? Why the Protestant one, of course, though most people advocating it will shy away from discussion when they learn about the different versions.In a letter, the late Dr. Henry Morris of the Institute for Creation Research (ICR) informed me that the "evolution model" is not just "atheistic evolution", but also includes "most of the world's religions, both ancient and modern." Therefore, I'm sure that he would have answered that his own version would be taught, of course, because all the rest are part of the "evolution model."Yes, it is a BS answer. But I don't doubt that he actually believed it.Edited by dwise1, : Yes, it is a BS answer.

Are you kidding me? The United States of America was founded by Christians as a Christian nation. It has always been a Christian nation and it will always be a Christian nation (until the rapture, of course). Since Christianity is the one true religion in the world and all other religions are false, of course the Christian version of Creation should be taught as scientific fact because it is scientific fact, Amen.

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You mean this link?By the way, your link is broken.Edit again.Or this link.Edited by Taz, : No reason given.Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

The solution is to teach intelligent design, in which the identity and actions of the creator or creators are sufficiently vaguely referenced, that few would find ID objectionable. The school board, which in turn is elected by the community. First amendment, Schmirst amendment.

Right, so you have to go with a diluted-down vague non-descript version of creation like Intelligent Design.If there was a basis in empirical observation for Intelligent Design, then it could be an acceptable part of a science course. No, because it doesn't have anything to do with race. Perhaps, "biased" or mayby "bigoted" would be a better word. THis becomes irrelevant if you're not going to teach specific creation stories.

The end result is that you are picking the belief system of one ethnic group over the belief system of another. Is it right to subordinate the myths and values of one people over another group? This type of prejudice preceeds brainwashing as it asks the citizen to ignore their set of beliefs for one that is fed to them as "truth".kind regards,Acalepha

America is a secular nation. When the religious beliefs of any particular group start determining the governing practices of the United States, then America will cease to be the land of the free and become a fundamentalist religious state like Iran or Saudi Arabia.kind regards,Acalepha

1.If the United States is a christian nation, why are other religions and viewpoints allowed within her borders?2.Do you support the imprisonment or conversion of those people who do not have Christian beliefs as their spirituality?3.Should the laws of the United States reflect the contents of the bible and the values of the Christian church?4.What should be done to people who transgress the laws espoused in the bible?5.If the constitution of the United States of America contradicts the content of the bible, which set of beliefs should one follow?I am very interested to hear of your responses to my question Taz. I promise to answer any question that you have of me to your satisfaction.kind regards,Acalepha

HI,My point is that not all religions are not exclusive to any one race or ethnic group, some might be, but most I can think of are not. Christianity is a fair mix of all races. There are many Asian Muslims as well as African and other races as well....ectI think,as was said earlier, bigoted is probably a better description.

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