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fearandloathing
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Message 16 of 46 (619316)
06-09-2011 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by tesla
06-09-2011 11:39 AM


The law is asking $200 just for me to sign a paper saying if I get hurt no one is liable. And that’s what I’m discussing.
I wouldn't complain that much, yea it sucks, at least you dont have to carry liability ins, pull permits, get inspections, get a flooring license, and have to go to continuing education to keep it. None of this is cheap when you dont have much work to begin with, but if i want to stay in business I got to do it.
Your young, I think, sell some blood, or maybe try a day labor place if you got one local. Good luck, this economy is hard on a small business owner who is in a construction trades.

"I hate to advocate the use of drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson
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Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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tesla
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Message 17 of 46 (619317)
06-09-2011 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Theodoric
06-09-2011 12:47 PM


Did I piss in your biscuits or rape you in another life? You don't know me. You don’t know my economic situation, skills, abilities, or connections (or lack of connections).
So piss off.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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tesla
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Message 18 of 46 (619318)
06-09-2011 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by fearandloathing
06-09-2011 12:53 PM


I wouldn't complain that much, yea it sucks, at least you dont have to carry liability ins, pull permits, get inspections, get a flooring license, and have to go to continuing education to keep it. None of this is cheap when you dont have much work to begin with, but if i want to stay in business I got to do it.
If there was enough money in flooring I wouldn't mind those costs.
I have and do make 100 dollars an hour sometimes and have had weeks in the past that made $2000.00. But they are rare and too far in between. The consistency of work is what is necessary to make those costs viable.
Which is why I am in college. Career decision.
Your young, I think, sell some blood, or maybe try a day labor place if you got one local. Good luck, this economy is hard on a small business owner who is in a construction trades.
I don't like needles, but I will tolerate them. I doubt my blood would pay for the gas to go give it lol, and if it did, what’s left would maybe buy lunch.
I am fairly young. I'm 33. The day labor around here has a crowd every morning. Maybe 10% get to work. And those 10% have been going out there for a while.
I've got some ideas. But I still believe this insurance exemption cost of $200 is robbery.
Not to mention misleading people on the actual state of the economy by showing new business starts that aren’t really ‘new’.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
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PsychMJC
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From: Modesto, California
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Message 19 of 46 (619320)
06-09-2011 1:22 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by tesla
06-09-2011 12:53 PM


He has a good point. YOU aren't being unfairly targeted by this law, are you? So yes, in fact, everyone else doing or trying to do exactly what you are had to go through the same hoops. Don't like it? Tough. When I worked in the food industry I could have cried about having to get a Food Safety Certification. But in order to do business in California in the position I was in, I had to have it. The consumer wants SOME kind of protections, you should be grinning from ear to ear that those small requirements are all you need. I am currently looking to hire some outside people to do some work on a property I am picking up, and I wouldn't hire just any old schmo to do the work. Consider it a very, VERY small step to make yourself more credible. It will do wonders.

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tesla
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Message 20 of 46 (619323)
06-09-2011 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by PsychMJC
06-09-2011 1:22 PM


I am currently looking to hire some outside people to do some work on a property I am picking up, and I wouldn't hire just any old schmo to do the work. Consider it a very, VERY small step to make yourself more credible. It will do wonders.
I have done 85% of all my work through one of the most reputable flooring stores in this town. Credibility is not the issue.
YOU aren't being unfairly targeted by this law, are you?
No. and I'm not the only one who believes it’s just a greedy state that believes there is more money in construction than there actually is for the people who DO the work.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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Theodoric
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Message 21 of 46 (619325)
06-09-2011 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by tesla
06-09-2011 12:53 PM


So piss off.
Why the harsh reaction? I won't lower myself to respond in kind.
You don’t know my economic situation, skills, abilities, or connections (or lack of connections).
Either your economic situation is not good or you just think you should get special treatemnet. If not you would not be in this predicament. You connections can't be too good because you are unwilling or unable to raise the small amount of capital you need.
Nothing was said anywhere about your skills or abilities.
Not everyone has the opportunity to do only what they want to do. I have worked at shit jobs so I could save the money to start working for myself. I guess maybe you are too good for that?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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PsychMJC
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From: Modesto, California
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Message 22 of 46 (619333)
06-09-2011 2:02 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by tesla
06-09-2011 1:29 PM


tesla writes:
I have done 85% of all my work through one of the most reputable flooring stores in this town. Credibility is not the issue.
Ah, so you being able to say "I worked here" makes you credible? That's interesting, since we have no idea what your performance was like at that former place of employment. See, when I am looking for a credible person to put my flooring in, or do my plumbing, I don't just look for some guy who says he worked somewhere for a few years. I want to know that he is certified and qualified to do what I want them to do. You seem to think that, since you put some time in somewhere, everyone should take your word for it that you are awesome. Unfortunately that's not how it works for most people, and if you were in plenty of other states you would be required to have much more. So count those blessings.
I have no doubt, nor did I ever say I doubted, that other people aren't happy about the same law. A lot of people in the food safety courses weren't happy about having to waste their time going through those motions and paying those fees either. But I'll tell you what, the CONSUMER was and is much better served by having those certifications in place.

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misha
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Message 23 of 46 (619337)
06-09-2011 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by tesla
06-09-2011 11:26 AM


I've done flooring: tile, laminate and hardwood. It paid fairly well.
I had the benefit of working with my dad on it. He had already taken care of all the business license/liability stuff. However, he did have to create an LLC to continue installing for the company he was affiliated with. That ended up costing a decent amount. At the same time, we were good at what we did and pulled in about $800/day combined.
And although I know it doesn't cost $200 to fill out some paperwork, the proceeds from that filing also help to regulate the business sector. We need these regulations. I know you're thinking that flooring isn't a big deal but I know I wouldn't use an unlicensed plumber or electrician. We need business licenses to regulate the construction industry so that I can be confident in the work provided to me as a consumer.
My advice: find some friends who need odd jobs done around the house, even if its only $20-30 worth. Work on those in the evening. Ten of those and you'll have the money you need for the license. I'd offer someone $40 to clean and organize my stuff in the basement. Its probably only 2 hours work. That would get you 1/6 the way there.

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tesla
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Message 24 of 46 (619340)
06-09-2011 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by misha
06-09-2011 2:12 PM


My advice: find some friends who need odd jobs done around the house, even if its only $20-30 worth. Work on those in the evening. Ten of those and you'll have the money you need for the license. I'd offer someone $40 to clean and organize my stuff in the basement. Its probably only 2 hours work. That would get you 1/6 the way there.
I'd take that job in a minute =)
If I wasn't in college I would have been working and had the money to get what I needed to continue to work. Being a student sucks when it comes to finding a job. I will not turn down work I'm capable of doing.
If worse comes to worse I'll live in the van again. It's summer at least. Thanks for your suggestions =)
edit: Even if I had the license and exemption right now; the stores are all slow. It's cutthroat, and the owner of the store has to take care of installers that are going to be remaining with them first.
Edited by tesla, : No reason given.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
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New Cat's Eye
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Message 25 of 46 (619365)
06-09-2011 3:28 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by tesla
06-09-2011 2:18 PM


Just go begging for work from your friends. (you do have those, don't you?)
I'd pay my friend to cut my grass or something if he was struck for cash. Or I might just give it to him actually.
Its not that hard to get $250.

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Taq
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Message 26 of 46 (619410)
06-09-2011 5:38 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by tesla
06-09-2011 12:48 PM


What I really wanted to examine was not the disparity of my situation, but rather the laws. These insurance costs are what is keeping many ground floor business’s from getting started. A lot of new business licenses are being bought under the title: new business.
To be quite frank, 250 bucks isn't that much. Imagine if you tearing out an old floor and accidently tear up some plumbing. Then what? I'm guessing it would be more than 250 bucks to fix.
I also don't see how a 250 dollar start up fee is stopping new businesses from starting up. A good floor sander costs way more than that.

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frako
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Message 27 of 46 (619422)
06-09-2011 6:16 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by tesla
06-09-2011 2:18 PM


Lol if you need the money that bad fly down to Slovenia tomorrow i should be getting 30 000 EUR sometime tomorrow i can spare the 180 EUR for someone down on his luck might tip the balance one day by the man upstairs
Or i can do what some dude taught up somewhere in Poland i believe he hands out small lones up to 500EUR as guarantee you pawn your soul to him.

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tesla
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Message 28 of 46 (619425)
06-09-2011 6:24 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by New Cat's Eye
06-09-2011 3:28 PM


Just go begging for work from your friends. (you do have those, don't you?)
I continue to try all avenues. It's tough for everyone right now.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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hotjer
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Message 29 of 46 (619427)
06-09-2011 6:30 PM


I guess you should be able to loan $250 unless you owe a lot of money to the bank.
Sure it would be nice if you could get these things free of charge, but there are administration cost and some sort of service that guarantee that your license is valid for all people who might be involved in your business. There are basically three different options to supply people like you with this kind of service. (1) You pay the fees (2) it is by taxes — though there are lot of different taxes which have different degree of efficiency and practical application, and (3) some people work for free or pay it for you. The most efficient options are (1) and (3) but (3) seems rather unfair. Allocation of money through taxes creates excess burden which mean it is inefficient compared to option (1): people pay it for themselves. Intuitively we might expect to mechanics to occur: (i) some people are scared away by the fees and (ii) some people pay the fees because they believe their effort will be worth the $250. (ii) Implies that people who are not serious or believe enough in their own initiative will avoid spending the $250, and I think you will do the same despite the lack of money as it is now. In my honest opinion I think mechanism (ii) is strongest and therefore, I think it is both economically and socially efficient compared to the other options. With that said it is possible they could lower the fees, for instance, due to inefficient management at the administration.

  
tesla
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Message 30 of 46 (619428)
06-09-2011 6:31 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Taq
06-09-2011 5:38 PM


To be quite frank, 250 bucks isn't that much. Imagine if you tearing out an old floor and accidently tear up some plumbing. Then what? I'm guessing it would be more than 250 bucks to fix.
I’ve never run into any issues like that. Mistakes in flooring can be very expensive. I don't rush my work and save time not having issues. That was one reason I would reap a lot of tips.
$250 is not much by itself. But $250 on top of van repairs, rent, electricity and water, and a three week deadline; can be a problem. (Not impossible though.)
Especially when the $250 is not going to guarantee work, just open the door for the store to pass me jobs when they are available (outside of their regular main installers who are not in college)

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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