Information's role in evolution.Should we put it more in the picture?

Thread copied here from the Information's role in evolution.Should we put it more in the picture? thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.

Hi Zi Ko,One thread is sufficient for discussing your ideas about information. This is your thread, it's about information, so your ideas about information should be discussed here. Please stop discussing them over in the Does the Darwinian theory require modification or replacement? thread.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

Hi Zi Ko,Here at EvC Forum we greatly prefer that participants present in their own words the material they believe supports their ideas, only using links as supporting references. Arguments from authority should be avoided. If you feel familiarity with some person's work is important to understanding your ideas then it is incumbent upon you to provide that familiarity by describing their work here in your own words. Please do not quote them at any length beyond a sentence or two. When you provide links, if it is longer than a single page then please be specific as to where the information appears.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

Hi Zi Ko,I think that's enough about empathy in this thread. This thread is about information's role in evolution, and you've been given ample opportunity to define information and explain how it is related to empathy. If you'd like to discuss empathy further, please take it to your Free For All thread, New theory about evolution between creationism and evolution..

Hi Zi Ko,This is what you said back in Message 176: This is a rhetorical question asserting that Frans de Waal has been working with rodents and that he has used this research to develop a theory of the mind. When this was challenged by WK you provided an excerpt that refers to de Wall as a primatologist, which supports WK. The excerpt also says that de Wall reviewed animal studies and so performed no rodent research himself, further supporting WK. And there is no mention in the excerpt about a theory of the mind.Zi Ko, please, no more discussion of empathy in this thread. No more discussion of a theory of the mind.And please, no replies to this message.

Hi Zi Ko,This type of contribution has been going on for too long: In this short little paragraph you have bad capitalization, bad punctuation, bad grammar, and bad spelling, plus you're making an unsupported assertion ("nothing is random relating life") and displaying illogic (the "randomness" that can't exist "relating life" somehow exists sufficiently to serve "life percerverance").Please try again, this time with proper capitalization, punctuation, grammar and spelling (is there a browser today that doesn't include spell checking?), and with your assertion properly explained and supported, which probably requires that you explain how you're defining "randomness" since you put it in quotes, but keep in mind that you will not be permitted your own personal definition of randomness, nor of any other words.And please, no replies to this message.

Me in Message 183: You in Message 188: Please no more talk about empathy or theories of the mind. The thread's topic is about whether information receives insufficient attention in evolutionary research.No one commented on your Message 158 where you attempted to define information by quoting from Wikipedia, so I will comment now. You have confounded two different definitions of information. This is the definition of information from information theory: These three sentences that you quoted were immediately followed by this sentence: And you then continue on to quote one of those other meanings, the one for sensory input.Please do not use two different definitions of information in the same thread. Please pick one or the other. If you choose information theory, then you must explain in what way information theory is receiving insufficient attention in evolutionary research. If you choose sensory input, then you must explain in what way sensory input is receiving insufficient attention in evolutionary research.

Hi Zi Ko,As moderator I am requesting that you focus on one definition of information. Pick which one you would like to focus on, either information theory or sensory input, and describe how science is failing to accept its significance in evolution.