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Haha.Fox News Poll Finds Disapproval Of GOP Skyrocketing After They Shut Down Government

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Bad News is everywhere for the Republican Party. Even the Fox News poll has found disapproval of the Republican Party jumping to 59% in their latest poll.

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According to the Fox News poll, disapproval of the Republican Party has jumped from 46% in September of 2012 to 59% today. Disapproval of the GOP has climbed from 54% in January to 56% in April to nearing 60% today. Approval of the Republican Party has fallen from 45% to 35%. In contrast, Democratic Party unfavorability has stayed stable in the Fox poll at between 48% and 49% all through 2013.

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Support for repealing the ACA has dropped from 39% in June to 30% today. This could mean that the linking of funding the government to defunding or delaying the ACA has completely backfired on the Republican Party. The number of Americans who think that they will be better off under Obamacare has risen by 7 points from 34% to 41%, and by a margin of 36%-19% respondents thought that Ted Cruz’s fake filibuster hurt efforts to repeal the ACA.

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Eighty one percent think the government shutdown is a serious problem, and they are blaming John Boehner and Ted Cruz (42%) more than they are blaming Harry Reid and President Obama (32%). A new CBS News poll confirmed the Fox News poll by finding that 44% of Americans blame Boehner and the Republicans for the shutdown, while 35% blame Obama and the Democrats.

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The behavior of House Republicans isn’t just hurting their 2014 chances. It is damaging the whole Republican Party. When a Fox News poll finds a sizable margin of people are blaming the Republicans things are really bad. The Fox News polls have always shaded their questions with loaded terms, so it means a lot when a poll that is normally friendly to the GOP finds things going this badly.

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Republicans dismiss most polls as rigged by the liberal media, but it is difficult for them to ignore a poll that cones from the supposed only real news source that they trust. The government shutdown isn’t just bad for Republicans. It’s disastrous.

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Hi, Rahvin, while your post makes sense to some extent, I don't think that's the case at all.Allow me to point out that the formation of the tea party came about solely on the fact that a viable black candidate (Obama) appeared on the scene. We've had plenty of black candidates before, but their numbers were always in the single digits. Obama's fame began to rise when I was still in college. I remember back then that everyone in my school was talking about Obama. I'm not just talking about my circle of friends. Even in the gym, cafeteria, etc., I kept overhearing people talking about Obama. People around the nation don't realize how popular Obamba's been in Illinois.Anyway, people like myself graduated college and became professionals ourselves by the time Obama ran for president. What struck me as odd was that there were plenty of presidents before who spent money like there was no tomorrow. In fact, I could have sworn Bush really thought the end was near. That's how he spent all our surplus left over by Clinton and dug the biggest hole we ever had for the country. So, why did the formation of the tea party coincide so perfectly with the rise of Obama? If there were plenty of presidents in the past who spent money like there was no tomorrow, we should have seen the tea party many years before. Why now?I'll tell you why. It all goes back to political correctness. It's certainly not politically correct to express one's disdain of a candidate because of his race or skin color. So, what's the next best thing that one can do? Pick an imaginary bullshit issue and hammer the black candidate/president with it.I absolutely don't believe in coincidence. Past (white) presidents spent money like there was no tomorrow and all of the sudden the budget became the biggest issue at exactly the same time the first black president got elected?? I don't buy it.Latent racism is definitely behind the tea party. People like Romney and McCain saw this latent racist part of the country, and they thought they could exploit it. They thought the could walk the line and rally these latent racists to get the votes they needed. It backfired on them when blatant racist slogans were yelled out at McCain's rallies. I think that's when they knew they'd lost control.Romney knew better than McCain. He wanted the votes that the latent racist part of the country was holding, but he also wanted to keep a distance. At the same time, it was clear that he didn't want to offend the racists either. He needed their latent bigotry.Well, they've completely lost control. I'm actually quite surprised the crazies have been able to take over the republican party so quickly. Probably fueled by Obama's black presidency.My question is what will happen when Hillary takes office? Will the latent sexists come out as well? Only time will tell.Edited by yenmor, : No reason given.

Hi Rahvin again. Thank you for your response.I do not agree with you that the racism within the tea party is just an undercurrent. I firmly believe that it is the core as well as the mainstream of the tea party. Like I said before, I simply do not believe in coincidence. But since I can't really use coincidence to legitimately support my position, let me take a more supportive approach.You say that the smokescreen is only used by some teabaggers to hate Obama while still remain politically correct. Let me prove to you that all official positions held by the tea party at large are just a series of smokescreens to cover their bigotry.Before I continue, let me define what a smokescreen is and how we can identify it. A smokescreen is a politically correct reason for someone to hate someone else or something because the REAL reason is politically incorrect. An example is the current KKK movement's excuse for what they believe in. You see, they no long claim to hate other races. They just want to keep the races separate the way god made us, supposedly. That would be an example of a smokescreen. Another example is when someone tries to weasel out of going somewhere. I'm sick. My wife is in the hospital. Etc.Take my smokescreens for hating women, for example. They smell, they're gross. They're annoying. They're selfish. Etc. All are just smokescreens to hide the fact that I'm a misogynistic pig.How do we identify smokescreens? Smokescreens are not as easy to identify like most people believe. Clever smokescreens can be very convincing. What I've noticed in my life is that smokescreens have 1 universal property: the basis for them is a lie.So, let's look at the tea party's official positions.(1) They hate Obama. Can we at least agree on this point? Ok, let's go on.(2) They hate taxes and are claiming that Obama has raised taxes.This is downright lie. Obama has in fact lowered our taxes.(3) They are concerned that Obama is on a spending spree and is spending our country into bankruptcy.Again, the basis behind this claim is a lie. Clinton left office leaving us a big-ass surplus. Bush not only spent the surplus but actually put the country into the biggest deficit we ever saw. Obama has halved Bush's deficit.(4) Obama is the worst president in history and that he is more like a dictator.Again, not true. As Dr pointed out, Obama has only vetoed twice. That's a small fraction of the times Bush used his vetoing power.(5) Ok, let's talk about taxes. Tea party members really hate taxes, yes?Bush the father raised taxes. Clinton also raised taxes. Where the hell were the tea party members back then? Just when a black guy that has not raised our taxes at all, tea party members sprung up in opposition of taxes. Please explain this bit.(6) Tea party members hate the gheys. Oh, I'm sorry, they love us. They just hate our sins.Bullshit.....(7) They really really hate social programs.It just happens that some of us actually know tea party members. The ones I know are the construction workers that we hire. You know what they do during the winter months when constructions are suspended? They receive unemployment.There, I just showed you that every one of the tea party's official stances is a smokescreen.It is understandable that you are taking the middle, more politically correct position. It's usually the safest position to take. All I'm saying is I have not seen a single shred of evidence that the tea party is anything but racist.Edited by yenmor, : No reason given.

Hello Rahvin again, I was out all day with my boyfriend so I haven't been able to get back to you until now.When I read your responses to my previous post and Diomedes', I was reminded by my time as a TA in grad school. There was always that one or two students that frequently turned in homework late or not at all, late to class or not show up at all, and did poorly on quizzes and tests. Every instructor knows what I'm talking about. The one universal trait that all these individuals seem to share is they always have an excuse for everything. Every late homework, every missed class, every poor test score had some kind of seemingly legit excuse, whether their girlfriend broke up with them or their grandmother died.What TAs and instructors usually do is they have to take a step back and look at the totality of the circumstance. Looking at each individual mishap and the excuse that followed doesn't really tell you the whole story. You just have to step back and look at the totality of the circumstance.Law enforcement investigators call this circumstantial evidence. In many cases, it is impossible to directly prove a person's guilt. That's why investigators and prosecutors would rely on a circumstantial case.I see the same kind of thing going on here. I provided a string of tea party official positions and how they are bullshit, and you countered saying each individual thing I said could be explained away with ignorance and misinformation. And you are absolutely correct. If you ignore the forest and just focus on the bushes right in front of you, then sure they can all be explained by ignorance and misinformation.I certainly never said racism was the only thing that the tea party was about. I believe there are several things driving the tea party, and some of those things include ignorance and misinformation.But ignorance and misinformation about 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 10, 15, 20, 40, 100, etc. different things that all seem to relate back to the first black president? Just exactly how many racist signs do we have to look at before we start thinking there is something more sinister as a driving force for these people than just ignorance and misinformation? Just exactly how many times do we have to tell them that our taxes hasn't increased at all and have actually lowered since Obama took office before we can say "ok, something else is driving these people beside ignorance and misinformation"?I'm not talking about just being riled up. I really like your sports fan example. You are right that it doesn't take much to rile people up. But again, all this 'take our country back' and other misinformed rallying cries we've been seeing from the tea party are all firsts. And coincidentally, these rallying cries happened to show up for the first time when the first black president got elected.Now, had we seen the same sort of frenzy back during the Clinton era, you might have a point for missing the forest. But clearly, this is not the case.

Hello, Jon, thank you for your post. Unfortunately, the word "all" has never been used by either myself or Diomedes.I've found that simple minded folks have a lot of trouble understanding that the world isn't all or nothing. I try to think of the world as more of a spectrum, with most of it in the gray area.While we certainly do not claim that ALL tea party members are racist, we do claim that the movement itself is heavily to mostly fueled by racism. Take away racism and the movement would poof up in smoke just like that. But since racisms isn't fashionable anymore, they have to put up smokescreens to explain away their frenzies. Please read the 2 previous posts where I explained how we can identify these smokescreens and tell that they are all bullshit.I would also like to add that the reason I do not buy the "ignorance" and "misinformation" as an explanation for their frenzy is because we're not talking about a subject that takes years of schooling and a lifetime of studying and research to understand.It is understandable that some people do not find evolution convincing simply because the subject itself is not black and white like people like to think. I've found that normal people have a lot of trouble understanding something as simple as allele frequency.Or take a look at quantum mechanics. I absolutely do not expect people to understand the first thing about it. Again, it is completely understandable that there are a lot of resistance to the new scientific discoveries in these fields.But what we're talking about here are things that are a lot simpler. Things that are so simple that any idiot could understand. Our taxes have gone down under Obama. Obama has only vetoed twice in theh last 6 years compared to Bushes vetos of 12 times during his 8 years tenure. Bush turned Clinton's surplus into a big debt hole and Obama has halved the deficit. Spending increases have been the lower under Obama than any president since the end of WW2.These are all things that any simple person can understand. This is why I do not buy the ignorance and misinformation as an explanation for the tea party frenzy. The only other explanation for this willful ignorance in the extreme is if they are fueled by something else, something that they can't say it out loud because it's not fashionable. So, they have to resort to willful ignorance and downright lies as smokescreens.Edited by yenmor, : No reason given.

I'm flattered that you only found 1 thing to nitpick from my post.You are right that there was an increase in payroll tax in January.So, are you claiming that the tea party has a time machine that could see into the future? Because they started crying bloody murder that Obama was taxing them to death even before Obama swore into office.

What, I can't be a woman? Are you a sexist pig?Added by edit.Now that I think about it, I kinda find it disturbing that I casually revealed who I was out and about all day with and it is treated as me flaunting my sexuality. Isn't it normal speak that people say "my wife and I blah blah..."? At work, I hear the guys refer to their wives and girlfriends all the time. Considering I work in a somewhat homophobic profession, I have to bite my tongue every time I was about to say share something.Actually, one of the workers the other day really tried to press me to use a genderized pronoun. You see, it's pretty much a habit of mine to use gender-neutral pronouns in everything. Well, one of the guys noticed.Anyway, back to topic. Long Live King George!Edited by yenmor, : No reason given.

Ah, ok. If you are going into comedy, don't quit your day job just yet.

Have you guys heard? Republican civil war!

As a matter of fact, no one has data on how many german Nazis wanted to exterminate the Jews. Therefore, we can never conclude that Nazi Germany was a Jew hating state. In fact, from that we can derive that Nazi Germany was an enlightened state that was misunderstood by the evil capitalist and communist world. We've come full circle on this. And I have to again point to the fact that presidents before Obama spent money like there was no tomorrow. And yet as soon as Obama was elected, an entire political faction was created for the sole purpose of opposing Obama and his supposed future spending spree.I've been a lot of things, including an idiot. But I can still see the obvious racial/racist push for the formation of the tea party.Remember how much Bush spent? Where was the tea party then?We're not just going on our gut feelings here. The tea party has made it abundantly clear that they really really really really hate the one president that has the least spending increases in the last 60 years.PolitiFact | Viral Facebook post says Barack Obama has lowest spending record of any recent presidentSo, which is it? Is the tea party against less spending or is it against a black man in the office?

They have been talking about it. Remember that they came into being when obama got elected. Thats not too long ago. They aint got the infrastructure to stand on their own yet.

Um... I see people claim this a lot. It is simply not true. Boehner, for example, handed out checks from the tobacco companies on the floor. This was in the 90s.

Hello CS, here is what I have observed.I work for a consulting engineers firm. Say a company like apple wants to build a new campus they would hire us. A team of us would design, hire workers, equipments, etc. These would be our subcontractors.The laborers from our subcontractors work 3 days a week with absolutely no benefits. Before Obama got elected, these companies told their workers it was the union that prevented full time work. When Obama got elected they started telling their workers Obama prevented them from more work hours. Nowadays they tell their workers Obamacare is what is responsible for the lack of work hours.The fact of the matter is its just cheaper for them to have a long line of workers waiting, hoping to get called and work for 3 days a week with no benefits at all. To keep the workers happy, hey have to come up with fairy tales, and the uneducated workers would believe them.Every time I'm out inspecting and talk to these laborers, they always tell me Obama and Obamacare are preventing them from working more hours. When Bush was in, these same guys told me it was the union that didnt want them to work more hours.You are falling into the same trap and believing in the same fairy tales employers make up to tell the unwashed masses.I have a prety good plan. The new healh care law does not affect me in any way, so I dont really care either way. I'm just telling you what I have observed.Employers like construction subcontractors never have their employees best interest in mind. Without regulations, they would work their workers to death. Thats what I have observed after having dealt with these companies for years. It is not a coincidence that many consevatives are dirt poor uneducated unskilled workers. They will believe whatever the big boss tells them. And right now the big boss is telling them Obamacare wont allow more work hours.editOh, and they always invoke god for some reason. I havent figured this out yet.Edited by yenmor, : No reason given.Edited by yenmor, : No reason given.

Just curious. What do you think of seat belt laws and car insurance laws?So, today I went out to the construction site again to do some inspections. I was sad to find that about half the guys I've been getting acquainted with have been laid off. The construction company that we hired have laid off half their experienced work force and replaced them with new workers for the next month until construction shuts down completely due to winter conditions.Of course, it doesn't really surprise me. I've been observing this pattern for years. Construction companies will do everything they can to save costs. Anyway, I talked to the guys there and asked them why these guys got laid off. They all said because of Obamacare. They don't know exactly how Obamacare made their company lay off half the experienced workers and hire temporary workers for the next month before shutting down completely. But they are convinced it's because of Obamacare.This is another thing I've observed over the years. Underpaid and Unskilled workers have very short memory. The same pattern happens every year whether there's a republican president or there's a democratic president. The big boss in their company would blame the boogie man (usually a liberal president or liberal idea) and everyone just accepts it.In this particular case, Obamacare is being blamed for these workers not getting full time work and getting laid off early to be replaced by new and inexperienced workers, nevermind that this happens every year regardless of whether there is an Obamacare or not.Last year, it was just because of Obama. When Bush was in power, it was because of the union or Kerry.The point is conservatives love to use liberals and liberal ideas as the boogie man for societal problems.I know every fiber of your being hates Obama and Obamacare. Have you tried thinking through this objectively and try to see the real reason behind why you hate Obama and Obamacare so much?My old philosophy professor taught me that one of the ways to figure out if our opinion is biased or not is by trying to make an argument for the other side. And I mean try to honest to god make an effort to argue for the other side, not just make up a ridiculous strawman.CS, would you like to do this with me? I will try my best to argue against the affordable care act and you will try your best to argue for it. Deal?Of course, you will have to be patient with me. We are fast approaching winter shutdown of constructions, so engineers like myself are working nonstop trying to get as much shit done as possible. I've been working 12-13 hours a day, not including commuting time (add 1 hour each way).