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Author Topic:   What is the creation science theory of the origin of light?
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Message 53 of 297 (622092)
06-30-2011 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Minority Report
06-30-2011 10:15 AM

and are published in peer review journals such as TJ. That makes them scientific.


Here are the guidelines for Journal of Creation(formerly TJ)

Journal of Creation is dedicated to upholding the authority of the 66 books of the Bible, especially in the area of origins. All our editors adhere to the Creation Ministries International (CMI) Statement of Faith and most papers will be designed to support this.


Now lets look at the CMI Statement of Faith.

What we believe
(See also “Good News ”)

The scientific aspects of creation are important, but are secondary in importance to the proclamation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ as Sovereign, Creator, Redeemer and Judge.
The doctrines of Creator and Creation cannot ultimately be divorced from the Gospel of Jesus Christ.


The 66 books of the Bible are the written Word of God. The Bible is divinely inspired and inerrant throughout. Its assertions are factually true in all the original autographs. It is the supreme authority, not only in all matters of faith and conduct, but in everything it teaches. Its authority is not limited to spiritual, religious or redemptive themes but includes its assertions in such fields as history and science.
The final guide to the interpretation of Scripture is Scripture itself.
The account of origins presented in Genesis is a simple but factual presentation of actual events and therefore provides a reliable framework for scientific research into the question of the origin and history of life, mankind, the Earth and the universe.
The various original life forms (kinds), including mankind, were made by direct creative acts of God. The living descendants of any of the original kinds (apart from man) may represent more than one species today, reflecting the genetic potential within the original kind. Only limited biological changes (including mutational deterioration) have occurred naturally within each kind since Creation.
The great Flood of Genesis was an actual historic event, worldwide (global) in its extent and effect.
The special creation of Adam (the first man) and Eve (the first woman), and their subsequent fall into sin, is the basis for the necessity of salvation for mankind.
Death (both physical and spiritual) and bloodshed entered into this world subsequent to, and as a direct consequence of, man’s sin.


The Godhead is triune: one God, three Persons—God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
All mankind are sinners, inherently from Adam and individually (by choice) and are therefore subject to God’s wrath and condemnation.
Freedom from the penalty and power of sin is available to man only through the sacrificial death and shed blood of Jesus Christ, and His complete and bodily Resurrection from the dead.
The Holy Spirit enables the sinner to repent and believe in Jesus Christ.
The Holy Spirit lives and works in each believer to produce the fruits of righteousness.
Salvation is a gift received by faith alone in Christ alone and expressed in the individual’s repentance, recognition of the death of Christ as full payment for sin, and acceptance of the risen Christ as Saviour, Lord and God.
All things necessary for our salvation are set down in Scripture.
Jesus Christ was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary.
Jesus Christ rose bodily from the dead, ascended to Heaven, is currently seated at the right hand of God the Father, and shall return in like manner to this Earth as Judge of the living and the dead.
Satan is the personal spiritual adversary of both God and man.
Those who do not believe in Christ are subject to everlasting conscious punishment, but believers enjoy eternal life with God.


The following are held by members of the Boards (Directors) of Creation Ministries International to be either consistent with Scripture or implied by Scripture:

Scripture teaches a recent origin for man and the whole creation.
The days in Genesis do not correspond to geologic ages, but are six [6] consecutive twenty-four [24] hour days of Creation.
The Noachian Flood was a significant geological event and much (but not all) fossiliferous sediment originated at that time.
The ‘gap’ theory has no basis in Scripture. Nor has the day-age idea (so-called ‘progressive creation’), or the Framework Hypothesis or theistic evolution.
The view, commonly used to evade the implications or the authority of Biblical teaching, that knowledge and/or truth may be divided into ‘secular’ and ‘religious’, is rejected.
By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the Scriptural record. Of primary importance is the fact that evidence is always subject to interpretation by fallible people who do not possess all information.

Kind of makes it not-Science doesn't it.

No scientific journals have a statement of faith. The Journal of Creation is pure religion, nothing more.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 163 of 297 (625067)
07-21-2011 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 149 by IamJoseph
07-21-2011 1:13 AM

Tel Dan stele? Really?
Any findings at Tel Dan do nothing to confirm or deny anything in the bible about a david. There is one inscription with a mention of Israel and David.
This is a translation of the actual text

king of Israel, and I killed iahu son of g of the House of David

Any more than this is additions made by modern scholars.

There is nothing here that eliminates the possibility that the biblical David was a mythical character. There is also nothing in it that eliminates the possibility that the biblical David is based upon an historical character and the bible stories are myth.

Then came the Tel Dan find - and those scholars have never recovered from their shame.

Care to show anyone that was shamed by this find?

As an aside.

I was at Tel Dan in the early 80's. At that time there was not an active dig in progress. I may have walked right over the stele. I spent a couple summers at Tel Gerisa near Tel Aviv.

Over 70% has been scientifically proven.

Can you provide evidence and your calculations, or are you pulling this out of your ass?

I am sure I could get a higher % for Tom Sawyer. Therefore according to your reasoning Tom Sawyer is completely factual.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 164 of 297 (625070)
07-21-2011 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 154 by IamJoseph
07-21-2011 1:49 AM

Judiciary laws
Judiicary laws come from the Hebrew bible - exclusively.Name one from another source?

Code of Hammurabi
Roman Law
English Common Law

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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