Well, I'd like to say that I'm honoured that an EvC thread is named after me, but unfortunately, looking at the content, I'd rather have been left out of it!
Buzsaw's Infinite ID Universe is a complete mash-up of badly-understood science and half-baked theology. There's not much more than can be said, other than that the interference by the intelligent designer is blatently at odds with the laws of thermodyanmics.
The so-called "Cavediver's Temporal Non-ID Universe" is simply the standard Big Bang cosmology. Buz has two main objections, both of which are based on wholly erroneous ideas about the Big Bang cosmology:
1) The Big Bang breaks the 1st Law of Thermodynamics.
Of course it does not. To break the 1LoT, you need a time T1 at which you can categorically state that the total energy is E1, and a time T2 at which the total energy is E2, where E1=/=E2. Glossing over the usual problems of defining a coherent defintion of energy in General Relativity, no such times can be found.
2) The observed order in the Universe cannot possibly come from the chaos of the Big Bang, given the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.
And of course it can - simply because the Big Bang, far from being chaotic, is actually the most ordered (i.e. lowest entropy) point in the Universe. Entropy has then increased ever since. Small scale decreases in entropy are always countered by larger scale increases in entropy, such that overall entropy always increases.
So we can see that the Big Bang in no way violates the laws of thermodynamics, unlike Buz's designer.
I hereby declare victory in a thread in which I have barely participated. Hurrah
Edited by cavediver, : No reason given.