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Author Topic:   Alternative history... (what if Jesus Christ hadn't been crucified?)
Nuggin
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Message 5 of 18 (622738)
07-06-2011 8:56 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dirk
07-05-2011 9:20 PM


According to the New Testament, Jesus died for our sins (or at least of those who wish to believe it). But what would have happened if the Romans hadn't crucified him, but simply put him in jail for life?
Not to be a spoil sport, but are you asking about the narrative IN the Bible or something in real life?
It's extremely likely that if there even was a "Jesus", his life/death bears little resemblance to what is currently in the Bible.
The Bible storyline is the same as a handful of other solar deities. It's always easier to convert people to your religion if you first steal theirs.
So, let's assume for a second that there was a historical figure Jesus and he died at the end of a Roman sword or was thrown in prison and never heard from again.
The Bible would still read verbatim as it does today.

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Nuggin
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Message 7 of 18 (622762)
07-06-2011 10:52 AM
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07-06-2011 10:35 AM


Free Will-y
I seriously doubt that the Bible supports the concept of "free will" in any way.
Exodus makes it clear that the Pharaoh had no free will. God MADE him reject Moses, then punished him and his people for it.
Further, the mythology never quite matches up with the message in any part of the Bible.
Jesus died to save us from our sins, so now... we have no sin?
Adam and Eve were naked, then ate fruit and wore clothes and that was bad so... Conservative Christians have a huge problem with a nip slip?
God loved the Earth so he gave his only son, who died, and therefore.... went up to Heaven to be with God? Sounds like the biggest case of "backsies" I've ever heard.

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Nuggin
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Message 13 of 18 (622862)
07-06-2011 11:09 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by ZenMonkey
07-06-2011 10:48 PM


Re: Most likely outcome.
I essentially agree with Nuggin. "Christian" scriptures without Christ might feature a few different names and stories, but I don't think that some sort of evangelical monotheism could have been held back forever.
Oh, you misunderstand me.
I'm not saying they will be "essentially the same". I'm saying they will be literally, word for word, the same.
Christ died on the cross not because there was some guy who was actually crucified, but because the vast majority of solar deities die on the cross with two other men. It's seen again and again and again in mythology from the region dating back thousands of years.
It's all astronomical. The sun's transit across the sky ends at the the southern cross with two companion stars. The sun "dies" for 3 days, then rises again.
There's a reason that solar deities all share the same birth day, the same death, the same "three visitors", the same "companions at death", etc etc etc
I'm saying that there may or may not have been a Jesus. And that person may or may not have said a few choice things. Most likely not, but I wasn't there. That person's life has virtually nothing in common with the story in the Bible which is just a mishmosh of Horace, Mithra and the rest.

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